[Politics] Brexit

vegster · May 19, 2018

Swillis said:
So while the teachers were busy helping this kid who couldn't talk a word of English to get him up to speed, what happened to the other kids in the class?

My other half was a specialist English intervention teacher on a programme called Every Child A Reader ( ECAR ) until the funding was pulled for her job, it was pretty much 50/50 that her children were English or European/ Third World. Many English parents were either illiterate or of very low standard of English and were unable to support their own children, most of the foreign children's parents had poor English language skills but encouraged their own children as best they could AND learned from their children.

Pretty pink fairy · May 19, 2018

Plooks said:
Do you want to know what I ate for breakfast too!?

a Bowl of bullshit by the sounds of it :dunce:

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DR

Pretty pink fairy · May 19, 2018

The Clamp said:
Just because you and your kids can't get a job, doesn't mean the EU is broken. Try getting some skills maybe?

For the record I don't think you are particularly racist (the get out card of your mob "you're calling me racist therefore everything you say is invalid"), nevertheless you are as thick as shat in a bottle and clearly cannot think for yourself. You seem to buy the Daily Mail take on life, wholesale. It's a shame but people like you have destroyed this country. You are to blame, not immigrants.

Layaz Playaz

TIME FOR MEDS

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DR

El Presidente · May 19, 2018

Pretty pink fairy said:
TIME FOR MEDS
regards
DR

I’m with you on this. Great song.

Two Professors · May 19, 2018

Raleigh Chopper said:
I didn't believe either side, because unlike you I have the ability to think.
I just knew our MP's would make a total mess of it.
It's utter cretins like you that have shit between your ears that cannot see what a joke the whole thing is.
Your post makes you out to be about 13, am I right, or do you have special needs?

Shame your ability to think has badly damaged the part of your brain that acts as a swear filter.Unlike remainers,us Brexiteers can cope with childish tantrums like yours,so we don't report the misuse of mental health terms you got from the playground last week. :hilton:

Yes,you are still a yokel. :lolol:

Two Professors · May 19, 2018

Berty23 said:
Over a quarter of doctors are either Other EU or from outside the EU. Immigrants make up about 5% of the population. Think about that.

Re green belt. I live in Warwick And when I travel from here to London it is virtually all fields until inside m25. Massive myth that there is nowhere to build.

You claim to be something to be something to do with education?Have you never heard the term 'flood plain',or have you never wondered why large parts of the M40 south of Warwick are elevated?Why do you think these fields haven't been built on?Could it be someone more intelligent than you thinks building houses on stilts might be a bit silly in the UK?

Two Professors · May 19, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
[MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] did say he had another account that no-one would guess

We all assumed it had to be someone stupid,so perhaps it's you? :lolol:

pastafarian · May 19, 2018

Berty23 said:
Why is it that areas with high proportion of immigrants voted to remain? London being a prime example.

Long term immigrants eventually become citizens with voting rights too, no real surprise the majority of them would probably vote for a system that they benefited from and which encouraged mass migration, thus contributing to pushing remain numbers up.
Boston is interesting as it has a higher number of immigrants to the norm, but many of these are seasonal labourers who are transient and who return home for short periods, thus meaning they don’t have the consistent residency required for citizenship and voting rights for a referendum.

pastafarian · May 19, 2018

Breaking News
Lunatic fringe remainers astonished to discover EU freedom of movement, mass immigration and border controls were significant issues in the referendum. :wozza:

Pretty pink fairy · May 19, 2018

https://youtu.be/rOaJXK3O-0U
regards
DR

Pretty pink fairy · May 19, 2018

https://youtu.be/pafdzdZ3qXc
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DR

Pavilionaire · May 19, 2018

Any sign of The Good Deal yet?

The Clamp · May 19, 2018

I see the Brexiteers are even turning on themselves now. Makes a change from them continually hounding myself and the others on here that call them out on their lies and fake news. They really do take this thread way too seriously. A 15 page twatfest on what day my birthday is, tells you all you need to know about that mob. No life morons.

astralavi · May 19, 2018

Uncontrolled mass immigration :nono:

The UK does not need to leave the single market to restrict European migration. After three months migrants must prove that they are working. a registered student or have "sufficient resources" to support themselves and not be "a burden on the benefits system". The UK has never enforced these conditions. The Home Office (including under May) judged that the cost of recording entry and exit dates was too high. Since most EU migrants are employed and contribute significantly more in taxes than they do in benefits, there was no economic incentive to do so.

So why don't those that parrot the daily mail acknowledge this?

The Clamp · May 19, 2018

astralavi said:
Uncontrolled mass immigration

After three months migrants must prove that they are working. a registered student or have "sufficient resources" (savings or a pension) to support themselves and not be "a burden on the benefits system". The UK has never enforced these conditions. The Home Office (including under May) judged that the cost of recording entry and exit dates was too high. Since most EU migrants are employed and contribute significantly more in taxes than they do in benefits, there was no economic incentive to do so.

So why don't those that parrot the daily mail acknowledge this?

Exactly, a lot of Leave voters simply believe all the garbage they are fed. The only reason we have high levels of unchecked immigration (and numbers are hugely exaggerated) is because of their beloved Tories not bothering to apply the law. And there is no reason they will bother just because we might be leaving the EU.
There is so much misunderstanding about immigration and other entry level issues and it has lead to the mess we are in now. Shameful.

astralavi · May 19, 2018

“A single market without barriers – visible or invisible – giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people,” M Thatcher

Two Professors · May 19, 2018

astralavi said:
“A single market without barriers – visible or invisible – giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people,” M Thatcher

That may have been true in Thatchers era but there are a lot fewer nowadays.Unemployment benefits don't make you rich!

JC Footy Genius · May 19, 2018

pastafarian said:
Breaking News
Lunatic fringe remainers astonished to discover EU freedom of movement, mass immigration and border controls were significant issues in the referendum.

In other news apparently the number of pupils who have a parent who is a citizen of another European country doubling since 2007 to almost 700,000 (many who can't speak english) has no impact on our education system and if you suggest otherwise you are racist. The New Labour government predicted a few thousand EU citizens might come when they agreed to let accession countries ctizens immediate access in 2004 ..129,000 came. The number is now 3.7 million, which obviously has no effect on housing availability, public services, community cohesion. Once again having any misgivings or concerns about this is racist.

Hampster Gull · May 19, 2018

astralavi said:
Uncontrolled mass immigration

The UK does not need to leave the single market to restrict European migration. After three months migrants must prove that they are working. a registered student or have "sufficient resources" to support themselves and not be "a burden on the benefits system". The UK has never enforced these conditions. The Home Office (including under May) judged that the cost of recording entry and exit dates was too high. Since most EU migrants are employed and contribute significantly more in taxes than they do in benefits, there was no economic incentive to do so.

So why don't those that parrot the daily mail acknowledge this?

Good, simple facts. No place for those in Brexit world

pastafarian · May 20, 2018

astralavi said:
Uncontrolled mass immigration

The UK does not need to leave the single market to restrict European migration. After three months migrants must prove that they are working. a registered student or have "sufficient resources" to support themselves and not be "a burden on the benefits system". The UK has never enforced these conditions. The Home Office (including under May) judged that the cost of recording entry and exit dates was too high. Since most EU migrants are employed and contribute significantly more in taxes than they do in benefits, there was no economic incentive to do so.

So why don't those that parrot the daily mail acknowledge this?

Why don’t people acknowledge it?
Because your version is utter twaddle. EU jobseekers do not have to prove they are working, or be a registered student after 3 months, they can carry on being a jobseeker , you cannot be deported simply for having the status unemployed.

"Even if you are not getting unemployment benefit, you can't be forced to leave your new country as long as you can prove you are still looking for a job and have a good chance of finding one"
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/finding-job-abroad/cannot-find-work-abroad/index_en.htm

The right to remain in the host country after stopping work is now laid down in Directive 2004/38/EC. Job seekers have the right to reside for a period exceeding six months (CoJ, Case C-292/89 Antonissen) without having to meet any conditions if they continue to seek employment in the host Member State and have a ‘genuine chance’ of finding work; during this time they cannot be expelled.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_2.1.5.html

The numbers of EU jobseekers screwing the system compared to the multitude entering who do not is I suspect insignificant in the grander picture that this would somehow in your view be restricting or controlling EU migration

But lets take your view that we can stay in the single market and restrict European migration. How long do you think single market membership will last when we start issuing permits, enforcing quotas or requesting criminal background checks before entry, like we do on some non EU nationals, or when one month we turn EU citizens and their family away saying our quota is full for the month but come back next month and try again, like we do on some tiers for non EU nationals.

And you seem to be missing a rather important factor in border control of people entering at borders, clever countries do the clever thing and enforce entry conditions before entry is permitted at the border, not up and down the country after you have waltzed in anyway

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