[Politics] Brexit

pastafarian · Nov 23, 2017

Fitzcarraldo said:
We can agree the £350m was a lie then?

The slogan doesn't say anything else about other industries. Just the NHS. It's chosen a very emotive subject for people, the NHS, and pledged a very specific, large, amount of additional funding at a time when most people agree it needs the money. To glibly say 'oh, that's not what they meant, they were making a wider point' is undermined by the director Vote Leave who, as Lincoln Imp says above, agrees that it was the specific pledge pushed Leave over the line.

I know you say above that he is wrong, but I'm sure you'll excuse me for believing him over you.

Yes we can agree, i said it before the referendum as well.
£350m is wrong, its more along the lines of £250m
Thats still an astonishingly huge amount of money.

The slogan doesnt say about other industries but the referendum debate did.I don’t recall a single remainer before the referendum saying to one of the Leave big wigs…..” ummm you cant make pledges like that for agriculture and universities to have a piece of the £350m pie, you have already pledged the entire amount of money to the NHS”……as they knew it was a general dividing up the pie, it was only after the referendum was lost remainers when full hog in saying it was promising the full amount.

When looking for answers for your defeat you really should be angry at how the EU has failed so many millions or how the Remain campaign ran a shocker that could hardly find any good reasons to stay in so ran a negative fear campaign instead as opposed to blaming all your ills on a bus logo.

PS 3,947,263 Remain voters voted to stay in simply because they believed voting to leave would cause unemployment to skyrocket immediately.............or did they?

ManOfSussex · Nov 23, 2017

Most amusing to read the views of smug Tory,Brexit voters from Sussex, who've probably never seen the inside of a Job Centre Plus in their lives, saying £350m a week to The NHS didn't influence people voting leave. It really shows the world they live in - and it 'aint the real one.

portslade seagull · Nov 23, 2017

Fitzcarraldo said:
We don't know whether that is true or not? He said it would cost households £4,300 a year by 2030 and it is currently costing household an additional £400 a year. To me that actually seems on track.

By 2030 they are certainly hedging all their bets there. I think they inferred it would be straight away or most of your alter ego's on this site have intimated it on this thread. which one are you

daveinprague · Nov 23, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Most amusing to read the views of smug Tory,Brexit voters from Sussex, who've probably never seen the inside of a Job Centre Plus in their lives, saying £350m a week to The NHS didn't influence people voting leave. It really shows the world they live in - and it 'aint the real one.

and the people who believed it are 'gulliblle'.... the people who believed it voted to remain or leave? :lolol:

CHAPPERS · Nov 23, 2017

The fear campaign argument is a funny one isn't it.

pastafarian · Nov 23, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Most amusing to read the views of smug Tory,Brexit voters from Sussex, who've probably never seen the inside of a Job Centre Plus in their lives, saying £350m a week to The NHS didn't influence people voting leave. It really shows the world they live in - and it 'aint the real one.

Quite a few of the other Brexiters are Labour and UKIP, there has even been the occasional Liberal, some appear to be floaters.Not all are from Sussex either.
Im not surprised a class warrior is easily amused though when it focuses its childish chip on the shoulder hate to suit whats rattling around in its head.

ManOfSussex · Nov 23, 2017

pastafarian said:
Quite a few of the other Brexiters are Labour and UKIP, there has even been the occasional Liberal, some appear to be floaters.Not all are from Sussex either.
Im not surprised a class warrior is easily amused though when it focuses its childish chip on the shoulder hate to suit whats rattling around in its head.

I'm from Hastings. Most people I know are leave voters. I live in the real world - you don't. Go and watch some 'Really Nasty Porn' or whatever other sick desktop folders you have on your PC posh boy.

GT49er · Nov 23, 2017

Fitzcarraldo said:
What was it that Remain said that you think was particularly persuasive?

I can't think of anything that was as repeatedly, and widely, published on a comparable scale to the '£350million for our NHS' lie (and that has been proved decisively untrue) but I am happy to be proved wrong.

Oh ffs! The deliberately blind still no looking! How about the instant financial collapse? The thousands of lost jobs? Families £4,300 worse off? Travel to Europe being curtailed? UK aircraft not being able to fly to Europe? Oh, and instant financial collapse..........

Berty23 · Nov 23, 2017

GT49er said:
Oh ffs! The deliberately blind still no looking! How about the instant financial collapse? The thousands of lost jobs? Families £4,300 worse off? Travel to Europe being curtailed? UK aircraft not being able to fly to Europe? Oh, and instant financial collapse..........

Well the pound collapsed and inflation has gone up meaning real wages down. It is taking a bit longer than some idiots said but the GDP projections assuming a deal still have us as a laughably weak economy compared to the rest. Gradually this is happening. Two big organisations confirmed relocation that remain said would go but leave said wouldn't. Not just those jobs but all the visitors and conferences etc. Oh and I guess we should consider the divorce bill (which leave said wouldn't exist) but will see us pay about 70 billion on latest estimates (40 billion upfront then transition payments) . Smashing.

Re planes and Ireland and drugs etc. We have not left yet.

pastafarian · Nov 23, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
I'm from Hastings. Most people I know are leave voters. I live in the real world - you don't. Go and watch some 'Really Nasty Porn' or whatever other sick desktop folders you have on your PC posh boy.

They are bookmark folders not desktop folders you wally.
Mostly got Henley Regatta porn today, its anything but posh. There does seem to be some confusion in it over sphincter and spinnaker though, must be a class thing.

portslade seagull · Nov 23, 2017

Berty23 said:
Well the pound collapsed and inflation has gone up meaning real wages down. It is taking a bit longer than some idiots said but the GDP projections assuming a deal still have us as a laughably weak economy compared to the rest. Gradually this is happening. Two big organisations confirmed relocation that remain said would go but leave said wouldn't. Not just those jobs but all the visitors and conferences etc. Oh and I guess we should consider the divorce bill (which leave said wouldn't exist) but will see us pay about 70 billion on latest estimates (40 billion upfront then transition payments) . Smashing.
Re planes and Ireland and drugs etc. We have not left yet.

Drugs

That sounds interesting, are they going to be free. Don't forget the potential water shortage next year you can blame that on Brexit

Deleted member 22389 · Nov 23, 2017

Berty23 said:
Well the pound collapsed and inflation has gone up meaning real wages down. It is taking a bit longer than some idiots said but the GDP projections assuming a deal still have us as a laughably weak economy compared to the rest. Gradually this is happening. Two big organisations confirmed relocation that remain said would go but leave said wouldn't. Not just those jobs but all the visitors and conferences etc. Oh and I guess we should consider the divorce bill (which leave said wouldn't exist) but will see us pay about 70 billion on latest estimates (40 billion upfront then transition payments) . Smashing.

Re planes and Ireland and drugs etc. We have not left yet.

Wages have been down since 2008 onwards when the banks went wrong. I also remember the government bailing out the banks, that's where our money has gone and that's why councils still have to make some cut backs today. Brexit is not too blame for this.

Berty23 · Nov 23, 2017

portslade seagull said:
Drugs That sounds interesting, are they going to be free. Don't forget the potential water shortage next year you can blame that on Brexit

Medicinal drugs.

Berty23 · Nov 23, 2017

bashlsdir said:
Wages have been down since 2008 onwards when the banks went wrong. I also remember the government bailing out the banks, that's where our money has gone and that's why councils still have to make some cut backs today. Brexit is not too blame for this.

True they have been falling since then because the economy was never reset properly BUT the inflation experience over the last year was clearly caused by Brexit unless the sudden depreciation of the pound was a coincidence.

GT49er · Nov 23, 2017

Berty23 said:
Well the pound collapsed and inflation has gone up meaning real wages down. It is taking a bit longer than some idiots said but the GDP projections assuming a deal still have us as a laughably weak economy compared to the rest. Gradually this is happening. Two big organisations confirmed relocation that remain said would go but leave said wouldn't. Not just those jobs but all the visitors and conferences etc. Oh and I guess we should consider the divorce bill (which leave said wouldn't exist) but will see us pay about 70 billion on latest estimates (40 billion upfront then transition payments) . Smashing.

Re planes and Ireland and drugs etc. We have not left yet.

Still in love with Project Fear, then.

nicko31 · Nov 23, 2017

GT49er said:
Oh ffs! The deliberately blind still no looking! How about the instant financial collapse? The thousands of lost jobs? Families £4,300 worse off? Travel to Europe being curtailed? UK aircraft not being able to fly to Europe? Oh, and instant financial collapse..........

We can keeping going on about the £350m lie, you can keep going on about the FTSE crash that never happened

The here and now is are happy you with the economic outlook, the worse forecast for the economy since 1983 and that assuming we get a deal, or it is project fear 2.0?

I wrote on this thread back in March I thought the OBR was overly optimistic with 2018, just hope they have it wrong this time and the land of milk and honey that Brextremists are promising comes to pass

Deleted member 22389 · Nov 23, 2017

Berty23 said:
True they have been falling since then because the economy was never reset properly BUT the inflation experience over the last year was clearly caused by Brexit unless the sudden depreciation of the pound was a coincidence.

That probably would have happened anyway even if we had remained. I have now seen things go up, and things go down in my lifetime. At the end of the day everything evens itself out. Brexit is a new journey.

ManOfSussex · Nov 23, 2017

£ depreciation = #wouldhavehappenedanyway and everyone knows it.

Berty23 · Nov 23, 2017

bashlsdir said:
That probably would have happened anyway even if we had remained. I have now seen things go up, and things go down in my lifetime. At the end of the day everything evens itself out. Brexit is a new journey.

If you believe this then nothing will change your mind and even if the economy does crash you will say "would have happened anyway".

What would have to happen for you to say "oh, this is caused by Brexit"

Deleted member 22389 · Nov 23, 2017

Berty23 said:
If you believe this then nothing will change your mind and even if the economy does crash you will say "would have happened anyway".

What would have to happen for you to say "oh, this is caused by Brexit"

If we get a recession like we did in the 90s.

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