daveinplzen
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I'm sorry, your uncle
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[Politics] Brexit
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I'm sorry, your uncle
It isn't the standards farmers have a problem with - it's CAP and the unfair competition from French farmers.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Had to laugh yesterday, visited a knowledgeable, learned City financial friend, only to discover he is starting to stockpile provisions......just in case like. 
At no time have I said we're ready for a no deal or that it wouldn't be painful. I was pointing out that Watford zero's constant claim that a 'no deal' is an impossibility isn't true.
Simple question - if 'no deal' is the utter impossibility that Watford zero is claiming why have EU members, particularly the Dutch, spent so much on preparation for a 'no deal' ?
nicko31
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A vote with these options is what we need, this is presenting Brexit as reality to the public.
Undemocratic ? Not at all.
Far worse would be a climb down to Norway deal without the public having any say. Now that Brexiteers would have a right to feel peeved about
He got some very minor subsidies to plant new hedgerow ...... nothing that would make or break him.
daveinplzen
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The Dutch have may noted our leaders are useless and preparing for that scenario, just in case they are really as stupid as they have shown up to this point?
vegster
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If I recall correctly, the French farmers used to burn the lorry loads of Welsh lamb that were raised with the subsidies that the French farmers didn't get ?
daveinplzen
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Ok thanks. I dont understand the unfair French competition either (or CAP) for that matter. I was always under the impression that farmers were doing ok with the EU
ManOfSussex
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It'll be painful to the point that it's impossibility is derived from its lack of sustainability. It's mutually assured damage and a huge geopolitical crisis all of our own making.
Simple answer - because they have competent, responsible Government's implementing contingencies as best they can, to try to account for the unpredictable course of action and consequences, unintended or otherwise, of the clueless political basket-case that is The UK and it's Brexit policy.
Some UK farmers get reasonable amounts in subsidies but that is a small minority. A large chunk of subsidies are based of the amount of land you have to farm. A good section of British farmers use a relatively small amount of land and therefore get very little. French farmers on the other hand tend to have HUGE areas to farm and so CAP favours them. It's a very over simplistic comparison but French farmers get large amounts of money towards new equipment because of the amount of land they have. Most British farmers get zero towards new equipment. The rule around CAP subsidies runs into thousands of pages. The application form my Uncle had to complete just to get a subsidy to plant new hedgerow was over 100 pages !!!! CAP needs reforming but that will never happen because is favours the French farmers far too much for the to ever agree to change it. And before someone says it, no, I don't hate French farmers, good on them for getting such a good deal.
Fair answer - I just don;t see why they would spend the money on an impossiblity. Maybe they should start to spend some money of the possibility of the Sun exploding in the next 5 years ?
daveinplzen
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Ok, cheers for that
I do not claim to know anything about farming. And I never said I did. My response is to the very vocal Brexiteer farmers complaining, bleating and whinging about Brexit taking time.....and then wanting subsidies from British tax-payers. All I know is what they complain about.
Bold Seagull
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Jesus, this thread is breaking out into a sensible reasoned discussion. Wake up people, there are winners and losers and no inbetweeners!!!
Lincoln Imp
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But surely if farmers voted to leave and now find the consequences of leaving not to their taste it can reasonably be said that they are effectively admitting that their voting decision was based on a degree of ignorance, gullibility or emotion?
(I claim no special knowledge of farming but my family were farmers from the Viking invasion to the second world war and I know a few people in the business - my impression is that many of them will stick a finger up at bureaucrats on principle, and saw 23 June 2016 as an opportunity to do so.)
So it favours the French and disadvantages all other 27 countries? One wonders how this continues to exists?
I'm not aware they are complaining of the consequences ..... it's certainly not what the OP implied. I believe, like any business, they are complaining they don't know what the deal is, what the rules are going to be, and so therefore can't plan. Seems a reasonable complaint to me ..... especially given May's utter shambolic management.
Trufflehound
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I was talking to my tax advisor last night. He told me the tax authorities here (in the Netherlands) have back-up plans to fill whole office buildings with the new staff that they believe will be needed just to deal with the mountains of additional customs paperwork that will arise out of a no deal scenario.
Good news if you're an accountant/clerk/administrative assistant I guess.
I can't work out what's going to happen now. How are you thinking we'll leave? Are you expecting May to get a deal through (which I thought was unlikely, as the whole house seemed against it)? And if not, how will we leave?