Very true. The more vehement Brexiteers on here are dusty old pensioners.
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Very true. The more vehement Brexiteers on here are dusty old pensioners.
Well, [MENTION=3734]Giraffe[/MENTION]’s post was a bit bizarre. And I’d like him to answer if he, or his friends, would be willing to sacrifice their jobs for Brexit.
Holiday going well?
larus
Well-known member
Please advise us who this Brexiteer Elite is who are running the negotiations?
May.
Hammond.
Olly Robbins. (A civil servant who is negotiating instead of Davis, as Davis was marginalised by May).
All REMAINERS. Not one Brexit advocate there.
The clusterfvck is being caused by the Remainers. We should have prepared for No Deal/WTO. That doesn’t stop us trading with the EU and all the BS about planes not flying - for Christs sake, that’s just more fear as per the Project Fear and the “If we don’t join the EURO, all these companies will leave and invest in the Euro area”. Too much crying wolf, yet some are just gullible.
larus
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Home now after 3 weeks away. Lovely time though, thanks for asking.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
What agreement has been reached on aviation then?
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I'll ask again.
What preparations should we have made for no deal?
Start building the NI border and border posts?
Start building the lorry parks at the Ports?
Start requirements analysis and design of the IT systems to handle WTO rules and tariffs?
Baldseagull
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The problem you are having is looking at our system, thinking that this is democracy and anything else is not. We have a frigging Monarch sticking her beak into whatever she wants to, each Government tries to load the Lords with cronies, the first past the post system creates from time to time a coalition, where differing views have to find a way to work and compromises are found, but usually it creates a one sided Parliament where the ruling party gets it's way, an elected dictatorship almost. Some think this is a better way to get things done, and all I can say to argue against that is to say it is easier to get things wrong too. Compare SNP MP's to UKIP MP's numbers in Parliament and compare the numbers of individual viotes, not in Mays snap election but the one before. To be in a situation where for five years at a time most of us are living under the control of a Party we did not vote for is not a good example of democracy.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Fair, but also fair to point out that this is one issue of leaving, seeing if it works out and if not, rejoining. If the door is open at all, then the membership conditions are likely to give us less control than we have now.
Aviation rules are set by the International Civil Aviation Organisation of which our Civil Aviation Authority is a member ..... as almost every national Aviation Authority in the world is. I think w'll be OK to keep the planes in the air
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Just finishing off The Times today and although The EU isn't preparing for Article 50 to be revoked, it is preparing for and anticipating a request from us for it to be extended in the event of our strong and stable Government's collapse or a no deal scenario. Legal preparations are well afoot, including allowing British MEP's to carry on and stand in next year's European elections and although it would require unanimous agreement of all 27 EU governments that's described as being a 'done deal.'
Indeed ..... and a reason I'd be very unlikely to vote to re-join. Especially as it would probably involve joining La La land known as the Eurozone.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Aviation rules are set by the International Civil Aviation Organisation of which our Civil Aviation Authority is a member ..... as almost every national Aviation Authority in the world is. I think w'll be OK to keep the planes in the air
Really? I'm so pleased the aviation sector are worrying over nothing then and everything's agreed and in place in regards to reciprocal and bilateral agreements required in regards to the open skies agreement.
Either that, or you don't really know what you're talking about again.
spring hall convert
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I think when the dust settles here, we might just think May has played a blinder (in a political sense I mean, WE'RE still ****ed.) You must remember with May she is pragmatism above ideology at all times, similar to Cameron and Blair.
Firstly, she plays the 'ideology above all else' Brexit mobs game and tries to get a majority on a blank cheque and fails, had she won a significant majority at that election she would have been perfectly happy going down the hard Brexit road unencumbered, as it would have been the line of least resistance.
Having kicked the can down the road for nearly a year, at pretty much the exact point that it's impossible for the Tories to have a leadership battle without making it blindly obvious they don't give two hoots about the country, she devises something halfway sensible to deliver to the cabinet at Chequers, needing only the Goves and Leadsoms of this world to swallow it (which they will because both are way more interested in their own career advancements to flounce off.)
Johnson, Davies, Rees Mogg et al are left with no options and May has a unified cabinet with the troublemakers removed. A leadership battle and potential election now is electoral suicide and they know it. They had a long time to steer this ship in their direction and failed.
Even if she can't get her deal past her own party, she may well be able to rely on help from elsewhere. Let us not forget there is a significant portion of the Labour Party, sidelined by Mr. Corbyn who see themselves as ideologically closer to her than they do to their own leader and are just itching for another chance to damage him.
Firstly, she plays the 'ideology above all else' Brexit mobs game and tries to get a majority on a blank cheque and fails, had she won a significant majority at that election she would have been perfectly happy going down the hard Brexit road unencumbered, as it would have been the line of least resistance.
Having kicked the can down the road for nearly a year, at pretty much the exact point that it's impossible for the Tories to have a leadership battle without making it blindly obvious they don't give two hoots about the country, she devises something halfway sensible to deliver to the cabinet at Chequers, needing only the Goves and Leadsoms of this world to swallow it (which they will because both are way more interested in their own career advancements to flounce off.)
Johnson, Davies, Rees Mogg et al are left with no options and May has a unified cabinet with the troublemakers removed. A leadership battle and potential election now is electoral suicide and they know it. They had a long time to steer this ship in their direction and failed.
Even if she can't get her deal past her own party, she may well be able to rely on help from elsewhere. Let us not forget there is a significant portion of the Labour Party, sidelined by Mr. Corbyn who see themselves as ideologically closer to her than they do to their own leader and are just itching for another chance to damage him.
Totally. Looking back perhaps he was one of the last politicians who had genuine integrity, an understanding of what duty meant and what representing your country meant. There were genuinely good people on all sides of the house then but now there appear to be few, if any.
Yesterday was a cause for celebration because the most arrogant, selfish, petulant and incompetent foreign secretary ever resigned. Today is a cause for sadness and reflection over what and who we have lost and what we are now left with.
No it isn't.....
Well, you haven't. If it wasn't for the irony bypass in your post that would be more or less ok though. Politics is not about sticking to facts AT ALL. It is about opinion. Corbyn's opinion is that we'd all be better off paying more tax and nationalising stuff. May prefers a more free market approach. The Greens see it all through a lens of environmentalism and so on and so on. There isn't a politician alive in this country that has ever stuck to the facts.
I don't remember the poll card saying "is Brexit a stupid idea". If it had listed out all of the issues that would crop up with leaving, along with the timeline, the ballot paper would have been a lot more honest but it also would have been about three pages long and turn out would have been about 5%. It was a binary vote on a single premise after some fairly disingenuous campaigning on both sides. What's really disappointing is that literally all the architects of that victory have buggered off. Call Me Dave? Gone. Gove? Gone. Boris? Gone. Farage? Couldn't get out quick enough. Why aren't these people who BELIEVE that Brexit isn't stupid out there leading it?
Quite.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
You're like a stuck record.I think somebody did a song 'Mr Wrong',oh no it was a Roger Hargreaves book.Mr Soft might be better,like what's in your head.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
I know that. It doesn't change the Tories need a break from power. It isn't about backdoor remain.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
To be fair to Gove (and God knows why I'm doing this) he stood for leader (sabotaging Boris Johnson in the process, maybe that's why I'm doing this) and now has a brief (Environment. Food & Rural Affairs) that is going to be heavily impacted by Brexit.