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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
nicko31 said:
So the government today announces they are allocating £3BN today to deal with Brexit and £2.8BN for the NHS

Quality, time to get the bus repainted
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Less than a third of the money we will send to the EU in one year then... what a bargain to facilitate the democratic will of the Great British Public.

And that desperately unfunny line definitely wasn't worth repeating ... were you writing the Chancellors jokes? :facepalm:
 




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One Love

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2011
4,361
Brighton
JC Footy Genius said:
Less than a third of the money we will send to the EU in one year then... what a bargain to facilitate the democratic will of the Great British Public.
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Unfortunately the democratic will of the Great British Public would have been something completely different if the bus had told the truth. £350m a week and we'll give £30m a week to the NHS hasn't got quite the same ring to it.

Nevermind let's plough on regardless based on lies.
 


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Uter

Well-known member
Aug 5, 2008
1,474
The land of chocolate
pastafarian said:
The agencies have to leave, no iffs or buts,they cannot remain no matter how much you want them to, its in the EU regulations.
Short term muddling through exercise for us but with the knowledge its more confirmation we are indeed leaving i see no long term downside that they are relocating.
I cant understand how so many of you are suddenly shocked at the announcement of where they are relocating to.
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I suspect the downside of having a separate agency to handle the licencing of new drugs will be felt in a few years. The approach pharmaceutical companies take when filing new drugs with regulatory agencies is commercially driven. The US and EU are the largest markets and hence they are always targeted first. Then it's usually Japan. Then other smaller markets. Drug companies don't have the resources to handle dealing with more than a small number of agencies simultaneously so this is the inevitable approach taken. UK will remain an important market, but will find itself down the pecking order which will translate to getting new drugs available 1-2 years after the EU I suspect. Of course some agreement may be reached whereby we still have some cooperation with the EMA and hence keep at the top of the list, but that seems politically unacceptable at the moment, so it's not looking likely at present. And of course emerging markets may shift us even further down the list in a decade or two. The other consideration is it will add to the cost of developing and licencing new drugs which of course will be passed onto the consumer.

People at the moment may just shrug and file it under "price worth paying", but I do wonder if we are destined to see some angry tabloid headlines about this in 3 or 4 years.
 


GT49er

GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
46,702
Gloucester
One Love said:
Unfortunately the democratic will of the Great British Public would have been something completely different if the bus had told the truth. £350m a week and we'll give £30m a week to the NHS hasn't got quite the same ring to it.

Nevermind let's plough on regardless based on lies.
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Oh God - here's another fool who believes that everyone believed the '£350M to the NHS' baloney. Some remoaners still think people believed it, because it somehow enhances heir grievance about losing the referendum*; most leavers took it with a pinch of salt and voted leave because that's what they wanted. Is that too hard to understand? Well, for some of the defeated minority, I suppose it is.


*'Losing'. Defined here as coming second in a two horse race...............
 






Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2010
960
JC Footy Genius said:
Less than a third of the money we will send to the EU in one year then... what a bargain to facilitate the democratic will of the Great British Public.
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£30 millions isn't the £350 million a week the NHS was promised though, is it?

I would be pretty pissed off if I was duped into voting leave by that.
 


Dorset Seagull

Dorset Seagull

Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Feb 21, 2009
4,426
Shaftesbury Dorset ( Hovis hill to you )
One Love said:
Unfortunately the democratic will of the Great British Public would have been something completely different if the bus had told the truth. £350m a week and we'll give £30m a week to the NHS hasn't got quite the same ring to it.

Nevermind let's plough on regardless based on lies.
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Try reading the side of th bus again!
 


Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2010
960
GT49er said:
Oh God - here's another fool who believes that everyone believed the '£350M to the NHS' baloney. Some remoaners still think people believed it, because it somehow enhances heir grievance about losing the referendum*; most leavers took it with a pinch of salt and voted leave because that's what they wanted. Is that too hard to understand? Well, for some of the defeated minority, I suppose it is.


*'Losing'. Defined here as coming second in a two horse race...............
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Not everyone by any means, but it would have affected some people. To completely deny that anyone believed it seems a bit thick.
 








wellquickwoody

wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
NSC Patron
Aug 10, 2007
13,618
Melbourne
GT49er said:
Oh God - here's another fool who believes that everyone believed the '£350M to the NHS' baloney. Some remoaners still think people believed it, because it somehow enhances heir grievance about losing the referendum*; most leavers took it with a pinch of salt and voted leave because that's what they wanted. Is that too hard to understand? Well, for some of the defeated minority, I suppose it is.


*'Losing'. Defined here as coming second in a two horse race...............
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One Love

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2011
4,361
Brighton
Dorset Seagull said:
Try reading the side of th bus again!
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Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
GT49er said:
Oh God - here's another fool who believes that everyone believed the '£350M to the NHS' baloney. Some remoaners still think people believed it, because it somehow enhances heir grievance about losing the referendum*; most leavers took it with a pinch of salt and voted leave because that's what they wanted. Is that too hard to understand? Well, for some of the defeated minority, I suppose it is.


*'Losing'. Defined here as coming second in a two horse race...............
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Leave ran a very good campaign; Remain ran a very poor one. Whilst there is maybe data that indicates the influence of the slogan on the Leave vote, I think it's fair to conclude that it made a difference and that the phrase 'most leavers took it with a pinch of salt' might somewhat misrepresent and underestimate the impact of the message? I don't think those clever architects of the Leave campaign would have taken the trouble to use that space on the side of the bus for this one message had they not been fairly confident that it would chime with the electorate? Well done them, I say. I just wish they hadn't been so bloody successful.
 












Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2010
960
Dorset Seagull said:
I’m struggling here. Can you point me to the bit that says use ALL the £350m for the NHS
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Unfortunately not everyone has a mind as perceptive as yours clearly is.

I think that it is fair to say that most people looking at that bus would interpret the slogan as: 'the £350m sent to the EU each week will be spent on the NHS'.

In the cold light of day both statements in that sentence have been proven to be lies. As Gary Nelson's Teacher says above, it is just a shame the lies were so effective.
 
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Dorset Seagull

Dorset Seagull

Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Feb 21, 2009
4,426
Shaftesbury Dorset ( Hovis hill to you )
One Love said:
Ok , how about this

Instead of sending the EU £350m per week, let's fund our NHS.

Exactly the same message.

You seem to be having trouble understanding the meaning of "instead".
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Or perhaps it could be read as

Instead of sending £350m to the EU lets put that money to better use by doing things like funding our NHS.

The fact is I don’t personally believe that many people reading that thought we would use all the EU money for just the NHS. Also I believe most people realised that the leave campaign were not in a position to decide what the EU money should be spent on anyway as they had no authority.

The whole bus thing seems to have been used to somehow paint any leavers as gullible morons when most of us had real concerns over the future direction of the EU and voted accordingly.
 




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