[Politics] Brexit

happypig · Aug 1, 2018

nicko31 said:
Labour will break cover at some point, the polls are only going into one direction. We are literally staring into the abyss

I don't think they will. I reckon Corbyn is hoping that a poor/no deal brexit will be disastrous, the tories will have to go and he can step in and use the economic collapse as justification for wealth redistribution and scrapping Trident.

GT49er · Aug 1, 2018

nicko31 said:
Anyone still think Brexit is good for the UK?

Apart from about 17M of us, you mean?

nicko31 · Aug 1, 2018

GT49er said:
Apart from about 17M of us, you mean?

How?

I see your Brexit hero Aaron is getting confused again...

daveinprague · Aug 1, 2018

GT49er said:
Apart from about 17M of us, you mean?

Seriously, you think its still 17 million?
Despite the fact its now known that the information provided for the referendum was bollocks, and we are genuinley looking into a bit of a nightmare?

GT49er · Aug 1, 2018

nicko31 said:
How?

Around 17M. The counters at the referendum could count - and they counted 17M. Next question? On second thoughts, don't bother - I'll maybe pop in and amuse myself at this remainer love-in again tomorrow. :wave:

GT49er · Aug 1, 2018

daveinprague said:
Seriously, you think its still 17 million?
Despite the fact its now known that the information provided for the referendum was bollocks, and we are genuinley looking into a bit of a nightmare?

I don't think remains' lies fooled many people (except remainers), so yes, 17M or so still holding up pretty well - many remainers coming round to a 'get on with it' view having seen all the various Westminster attempts to derail the process, hinder the Government and hamstring our negotiators. In other words, most of us 17M still standing firm, quite a few who voted remain getting fed up with the antics of those who lost the referendum.
Now, as I said in my last post, I'm off for now - I'll leave the remainer love-in to you chaps until I get bored again! :wave:

nicko31 · Aug 1, 2018

Currently 200 customs officers at Dover, if its no deal we need 8000. Takes a year to train one

Oh well, the British spirit will see us through, ask the local Tory MP Charlie Elphicke

Two Professors · Aug 1, 2018

Hampster Gull said:
Looks a lot like an economic depression, not sunny uplands. I am sure you can do better than wanting the population of Britain to become beggars etc. There must be something more from Brexit

I must admit I was pulling your leg about the accordion players and beggars,I'm sure they will stay.I would imagine major growth industries to be space,graphics,new technologies,exploiting new materials like graphene,engineering,and meaningful education.If Thicko is right,lots of customs officers (there is always a first time)

daveinprague · Aug 1, 2018

GT49er said:
I don't think remains' lies fooled many people (except remainers), so yes, 17M or so still holding up pretty well - many remainers coming round to a 'get on with it' view having seen all the various Westminster attempts to derail the process, hinder the Government and hamstring our negotiators. In other words, most of us 17M still standing firm, quite a few who voted remain getting fed up with the antics of those who lost the referendum.
Now, as I said in my last post, I'm off for now - I'll leave the remainer love-in to you chaps until I get bored again!

Well, I think youre talking bollocks, but have a good afternoon away from people like me :thumbsup:

ManOfSussex · Aug 1, 2018

nicko31 said:
Currently 200 customs officers at Dover, if its no deal we need 8000. Takes a year to train one

Oh well, the British spirit will see us through, ask the local Tory MP Charlie Elphicke

On top of that there's no space at Dover (let alone time) to extend the facilities needed at the Eastern docks that currently process the 500 or so non-EU lorries that are checked each day and held up for over 20 minutes a time and Manston Airport can't be used as an emergency measure because The A256 from Dover (some of which is single carriageway) would grind to a halt very quickly as a result. It'll take years to build what is required elsewhere, not forgetting delays caused by NIMBY and environmental objections. It's a right old mess. Still, I'm sure the 59% of Kent's electorate who voted Leave knew all this 2 years ago.

pb21 · Aug 1, 2018

Two Professors said:
I must admit I was pulling your leg about the accordion players and beggars,I'm sure they will stay.I would imagine major growth industries to be space,graphics,new technologies,exploiting new materials like graphene,engineering,and meaningful education.If Thicko is right,lots of customs officers (there is always a first time)

Can you really imagine the UK being more at the forefront of technological research and engineering outside the EU rather than in it? Can you explain your reasoning on this?

Not only just more at the forefront, you also see this as a “major growth area”. How have you come to this conclusion?!

daveinprague · Aug 1, 2018

Perhaps, maybe, possibly, I believe what will happen is, I would imagine, what could happen, etc etc etc etc etc Hurtling towards a perhaps. Thanks.

Baldseagull · Aug 1, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Banks will no doubt do a roaring trade; food banks that is.

And maybe Arron Banks.

Two Professors · Aug 1, 2018

pb21 said:
Can you really imagine the UK being more at the forefront of technological research and engineering outside the EU rather than in it? Can you explain your reasoning on this?

Not only just more at the forefront, you also see this as a “major growth area”. How have you come to this conclusion?!

Given the number of allegedly university educated people posting on here,I'm rather shocked you aren't aware of the on-going research projects between industry and la-la land in nuclear power,materials,aero,space/satellite tech.I suppose it's due to the high numbers of yoghurt knitting and yurt growing degrees in southern universities.Yet again,if you are actually interested,as opposed to just being confrontational,googling British University research might reveal something to you,if you ignore the porno.

Lincoln Imp · Aug 1, 2018

Triggaaar said:
Could you post a link to the existing polls showing this desire?

This shows the second referendum position. Sky News was reporting the three way Chequers/No Deal/Remain figures on Monday. I can see if I can find a link if you doubt them.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-o...against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

hans kraay fan club · Aug 1, 2018

pb21 said:
Can you really imagine the UK being more at the forefront of technological research and engineering outside the EU rather than in it? Can you explain your reasoning on this?

Not only just more at the forefront, you also see this as a “major growth area”. How have you come to this conclusion?!

Two Professors said:
Given the number of allegedly university educated people posting on here,I'm rather shocked you aren't aware of the on-going research projects between industry and la-la land in nuclear power,materials,aero,space/satellite tech.I suppose it's due to the high numbers of yoghurt knitting and yurt growing degrees in southern universities.Yet again,if you are actually interested,as opposed to just being confrontational,googling British University research might reveal something to you,if you ignore the porno.

How about actually trying to answer his question and add some substance to your point, rather than failing to be funny?

You predict a growth in technological research and cutting-edge engineering.

He's asked you why it should be that these things, that are already happening at our Universities (much of it funded by EU grants, btw) are expected to increase, outside of the EU.

Can you educate us, please?

pb21 · Aug 1, 2018

Two Professors said:
Given the number of allegedly university educated people posting on here,I'm rather shocked you aren't aware of the on-going research projects between industry and la-la land in nuclear power,materials,aero,space/satellite tech.I suppose it's due to the high numbers of yoghurt knitting and yurt growing degrees in southern universities.Yet again,if you are actually interested,as opposed to just being confrontational,googling British University research might reveal something to you,if you ignore the porno.

Yes I know all this, I dont need to Google UK university and industry research. I am also not being confrontational!

I was interested in, and still am, how you have you come to the conclusion we will be more at the forefront of technological research and engineering outside the EU rather than in it and even more so how this will be a major growth areas post Brexit!

Can you explain your reasoning on this?

WATFORD zero · Aug 1, 2018

seagulls4ever said:
To add to this, here's the questions of the polls posted by [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION]. They are not asking a simple question about a second referendum, and they are different questions. Some people, for example, might want Brexit in a form other than a no deal and the deal the government suggests - which the Sky Data poll does not take account of.

Sky Data:

Should there be a referendum asking between Brexit with the deal the government suggests, no deal Brexit or not leaving the EU?
Should 50%
Should not 40%
Don't know 10%

YouGov:

Do you think there should be a second referendum to accept or reject the terms of Britain’s exit from the EU once they have been agreed?

Yes - 42%
No - 40%
Don't Know - 18%

BMG:

I can't find this poll.

You forgot the NSC poll that closed yesterday

NSC Poll June 2016 How would you vote in a referendum? - 56% remain, 38% leave

NSC Poll July 2018 How would you vote in a referendum? - 75% remain, 21% leave

Appears there's a lot of swinging on NSC :blush:

vegster · Aug 1, 2018

Lincoln Imp said:
This shows the second referendum position. Sky News was reporting the three way Chequers/No Deal/Remain figures on Monday. I can see if I can find a link if you doubt them.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-o...against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

I think that pretty much sums it up. We have shot ourselves in the foot and are continuing shooting ourselves in the foot. It's going to get pretty messy nearer the end.

WATFORD zero · Aug 1, 2018

pb21 said:
Yes I know all this, I dont need to Google UK university and industry research. I am also not being confrontational!

I was interested in, and still am, how you have you come to the conclusion we will be more at the forefront of technological research and engineering outside the EU rather than in it and even more so how this will be a major growth areas post Brexit!

Can you explain your reasoning on this?

It's probably had as much reasoning and thought as his solution to the UK's car building industry. Ask him any serious question and he'll come up with some ridiculous answer as he's incapable of thinking a through a problem more complex than which way to sit on a toilet seat.

Two Professors said:
Already dealt with the motor trade stuff-Power Train deal with Germany-most of it transits the Reich anyway.

At this rate, he'll have all the governments outstanding issues resolved by tomorrow lunchtime :lolol:

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