[Politics] Brexit

vegster · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
I see the Government in waiting were setting out a clear alternative this morning.

Jeremy Corbyn, three weeks ago: Doesn’t rule out second referendum

Diane Abbott, two weeks ago: Backs second referendum

Diane Abbott, today: Rules out second referendum

Tom Watson, today: Doesn’t rule out second referendum

David Davis has managed to contradict himself on numerous occasions...... " We have had reports made on the impact of Brexit on numerous industries..... but you can't see them " " Ok, so you can see them................oh dear, there aren't any ".

Lincoln Imp · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Trying to disconnect the reasons why people voted from the result is disingenuous, dangerous and feeds the anger, disillusionment.

I agree to a large extent, although surely the people who are doing this are the Brexiteers, desperate to disconnect the referendum result from the wider underlying reasons behind it? All their Christmasses came at once on 23 June and any suggestion that we should not view the 52/48 result as an isolated on/off switch reduces many of them to name-calling fury.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

vegster said:
David Davis has managed to contradict himself on numerous occasions...... " We have had reports made on the impact of Brexit on numerous industries..... but you can't see them " " Ok, so you can see them................oh dear, there aren't any ".

I agree he has occasionally given some confusing statements open to misinterpretation but not a patch on the Labour Party regular handbrake turns changing of central policy, depending on which Shadow Minister you talk to.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
I agree to a large extent, although surely the people who are doing this are the Brexiteers, desperate to disconnect the referendum result from the wider underlying reasons behind it? All their Christmasses came at once on 23 June and any suggestion that we should not view the 52/48 result as an isolated on/off switch reduces many of them to name-calling fury.

The Brexiteers are the ones trying to hold the line and deliver on what was set out by the leave side (take back control) against numerous obstacles both UK and EU based. Also credit to the many Remain MP's who seem to know respecting the referendum result doesn't include trying to subvert or reverse it.

vegster · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
I agree he has occasionally given some confusing statements open to misinterpretation but not a patch on the Labour Party regular handbrake turns changing of central policy, depending on which Shadow Minister you talk to.

Handbrake turns on policy

? plenty of those already from May and Davis..... those red lines are being erased month by month. :rotlf:

Hampster Gull · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Trolls and people intent on ignoring/reversing my democratic choice don't really deserve much civility but I'm usually well mannered. I nearly always answer questions (even when being insulted), unfortunately, some people can't remember the answers ... which is a bit rude.

Love the outrage. The referendum was consultative for the government, not legally binding, so no need for that. Anyway the are acting on it. The question that May has to answer is what type of exit, WTO on one extreme and on the other within the customs union and unfettered acces to the single market. All to play for. The days of the Brexit means Brexit nonsense is over, May needs to grow some and propose what the government want. Then she can progress but it’s subject to Parliamentary scrutiny and approval, quiet rightly, and possibly a general election around that time.

5ways · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
I'm not defending them, far right and far left are both scum in my book. It's not really a clearly defined left-right split either. There would be many angry Labour Brexit voters. I'm the one saying don't ignore and/or try to circumvent the democratic choice of the majority as you push people in the extremist's direction. You are ignoring the reasons why people did vote leave which can be broadly summarised as 'take back control' Sovereignty/laws/immigration etc) with a bit of kick the establishment. Norway = free movement, ECJ jurisdiction without any say etc.

And £350m a week for the NHS.

ManOfSussex · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
I agree he has occasionally given some confusing statements open to misinterpretation but not a patch on the Labour Party regular handbrake turns changing of central policy, depending on which Shadow Minister you talk to.

Labour aren't being featured and therefore laughed at in the European media. May, Davis, Johnson and The Tories are.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

vegster said:
Handbrake turns on policy ? plenty of those already from May and Davis..... those red lines are being erased month by month.

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/916973442917740544/video/1

:lolol:

We will only see what red lines have been erased (if any)when a final deal is agreed.

ManOfSussex · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/916973442917740544/video/1

We will only see what red lines have been erased (if any)when a final deal is agreed.

'Channel Brexit' on Youtube. That's a new propaganda one from you. Makes a change from 'Brexit Central' or the links to The Guido Fawkes right wing blog site you like to post.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

5ways said:
And £350m a week for the NHS.

... and take back control of the tens of Billions of UK taxpayers money we send to the EU, correct.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
'Channel Brexit' on Youtube. That's a new propaganda one from you. Makes a change from 'Brexit Central' or the links to The Guido Fawkes right wing blog site you like to post.

Don't forget the Daily politics BBC 'propaganda' link :thumbsup:

ManOfSussex · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Don't forget the Daily politics BBC 'propaganda' link

Which is from the 8th of October which shows you're just getting desperate, hence why I didn't bother to mention it.

Lincoln Imp · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Trolls and people intent on ignoring/reversing my democratic choice don't really deserve much civility but I'm usually well mannered. I nearly always answer questions (even when being insulted), unfortunately, some people can't remember the answers ... which is a bit rude.

You silly Billy - no one is suggesting your vote is ignored. Full notice will be taken of your view (as far as it is known), deep negotiations will take place with the EU as a result of it and then, when the facts emerge, you might be asked again. This wouldn't be non-democracy, it would be double democracy. Admit it - you're just worried you would lose. All that undemocratic loon stuff is flimflam.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Which is from the 8th of October which shows you're just getting desperate, hence why I didn't bother to mention it.

Blimey is there a cut off date for highlighting Labours shambolic stance then... 24hours? Oh yes, you really have me on the ropes.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
You silly Billy - no one is suggesting your vote is ignored. Full notice will be taken of your view (as far as it is known), deep negotiations will take place with the EU as a result of it and then, when the facts emerge, you might be asked again. This wouldn't be non-democracy, it would be double democracy. Admit it - you're just worried you would lose. All that undemocratic loon stuff is flimflam.

Oh I think you'll find plenty of people who want to ignore the 17.4 million votes (including undemocratic loons on this thread).

Lincoln Imp said:
Of course the LibDems would like to see the June 23 result overturned. So would I. So would everyone who feels we should remain in the EU. The point is HOW..........

flim flam indeed :wink:

ManOfSussex · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Blimey is there a cut off date for highlighting Labours shambolic stance then... 24hours? Oh yes, you really have me on the ropes.

Anything to attempt to deflect attention away from the shambles of your precious little Conservative and Unionist Party and your precious little England Brexit again.

It's not really working for you, but I'm sure you'll carry on regardless like the loyal Tory Brexit boy you are.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 17, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Anything to attempt to deflect attention away from the shambles of your precious little Conservative and Unionist party and your precious little England Brexit.

So much bitterness. Feel free to steer it back to your and Ernies balanced, well-sourced contributions with those hilarious Farage/Mogg pics :kiss:

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/916973442917740544/video/1

We will only see what red lines have been erased (if any)when a final deal is agreed.

So. When you state things, like planes will fly post Brexit, it’s true. When someone else states something you don’t agree with you always cry false-news and nothing is agreed until it’s all agreed. You’re a clown.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 17, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
... and take back control of the tens of Billions of UK taxpayers money we send to the EU, correct.

You won’t see any of this. You’ll be choking on your pork chop like that idiot from Barnsley.

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