View Poll Results: Is Theresa May is out of her depth?

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  • She doesn't know what she is doing

    378 69.61%
  • She knows exactly what she is doing

    165 30.39%
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    I am sorry you found me tiresome and disingenuous. This 'bloke I claimed to meet in Barnsley' was actually someone I have known quite well for a long time. He's interesting. He chose a particular career and became one of the top ten or so practitioners in the country. He was rather famous in a way. He could have moved away from his hard-pressed home town but he lives plainly and never wanted to come home to anywhere else. He has a deep civic sense and is involved with hundreds of people - maybe thousands - in the town. I am astonished by the number of people who speak or smile when he passes them. I don't know his politics, or how he voted in the referendum. He doesn't promote these things. He is about as far from being in internet shouter as you could imagine. His suggestion that the people of his town voted heavily to give the government a well-deserved whack was made quietly and in private. I know this doesn't fit the Leave view that the vast majority of leave voters turned out for matters involving freedom of movement, judicial powers and all the rest but his seems a legitimate notion to me, repeated in many places across the country, including one or two that I know well. Try not to demean, or to suggest that I am making things up. Or being a liar, as your friend on here likes to suggest.

    As far as your polls are concerned, I am sure they reflect the national view to a degree but I wouldn't put too much stock on people's reactions when someone puts a list of reasons for leaving the EU in front of them. People - remainers and leavers alike - naturally put a good gloss on their tastes and opinions. I know I do. I'm reminded of a wonderful post on here a year or more ago which said that racism wasn't an issue in the referendum because it simply didn't feature in Leave voters' responses to being asked why they voted as they did.

    And nowhere have I said that Leave voters should not have 'lofty considerations'. Many have.
    Normally you are an absolute delight obviously [if a little sensitive] but I appreciate your apology. Perhaps a first step in acknowledging your tendency to exaggerate and misrepresent arguments is detrimental to reasoned debate.

    As with every remainer in this thread who has referenced family or friends it comes as no surprise that the representation of their friends/family opinions is hugely significant. Considering this is a person you know quite well and for a long time .. who was offering his opinions on Brexit I am a little surprised you didn't know his general politics or his personal stance on Brexit. Saying that the picture you creatively paint conjures up images of the Dalai Lama of Barnsley.

    I would put more stock in opinion polls and surveys (that don't always give people straightforward options) than personal anecdotes from clearly partisan individuals about people they know while trying to push a particular agenda . Anyone with a basic understanding of critical thinking would do the same. If individual opinions continue to float your boat there are plenty of links/sources from individual residents of Barnsley clearly stating why the voted leave for both good and bad reasons The 'giving the government a whack' reason doesn't figure heavily if at all.

    I can't remember anyone saying that racism definitely wasn't an issue for some but look forward to you linking to that wonderful post. God forbid we have another example of you exaggerating and misrepresenting an argument.

    You have doubted Leavers' lofty considerations' on numerous occasion including in your latest post. Acknowledging both sides can put a gloss on their motive is progress though.

    Finally It's always more interesting what you don't eventually respond to. As parliament has voted against an EEA/Norway option by a huge majority I assume you acknowledge this is now off the table?
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      Haven't laughed so much since pastafarian posted his screen capture
      Don't understand irony and a bit thick,hi Joanna,didn't know you supported Albion.As you like screen capture so much,here is one of your post 50713 that I was taking the mickey out of:

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      "Blue is the colour,passports are the game,the whiners just don't like it,oh what a f***in shame,we'll go on through the wind and rain,cos Brexit,Brexit is our aim"
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      Suitably learned response prompting the question - what are you Two Professors of i.e. what academic disciplines (the plural as you are a plural). Can I start by eliminating Economics and European Studies?
      History Today,courtesy of Newman and Baddiel,is where the Two Professors originated.I was a lurker on the site for a couple of years and some of the pompous posters reminded me of them,starting out as smug know-alls and rapidly descending into massive abuse.If you haven't seen it,a quick look would identify several posters on the Brexit thread.The show was called the Mary Whitehouse Experience from the early 90's-good fun.
      "Blue is the colour,passports are the game,the whiners just don't like it,oh what a f***in shame,we'll go on through the wind and rain,cos Brexit,Brexit is our aim"
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      Don't understand irony and a bit thick,hi Joanna,didn't know you supported Albion.As you like screen capture so much,here is one of your post 50713 that I was taking the mickey out of:

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      If you are reversing that quickly, make sure you check your mirrors.

      All your enjoyment and tick-tock at every opportunity was simply because you thought that TM not progressing a deal really meant we were getting closer to a 'no deal' Brexit. I had been wondering for a while why you were taking such enjoyment over the complete lack of progress. Obviously I knew that Ppf with his tick-tock didn't understand, but I had seriously underestimated your stupidity. I blame myself as you had given plenty of clues
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      If you are reversing that quickly, make sure you check your mirrors.

      All your enjoyment and tick-tock at every opportunity was simply because you thought that TM not progressing a deal really meant we were getting closer to a 'no deal' Brexit. I had been wondering for a while why you were taking such enjoyment over the complete lack of progress. Obviously I knew that Ppf with his tick-tock didn't understand, but I had seriously underestimated your stupidity. I blame myself as you had given plenty of clues
      Did Floella tell you that?You sound just like another poster on here.
      "Blue is the colour,passports are the game,the whiners just don't like it,oh what a f***in shame,we'll go on through the wind and rain,cos Brexit,Brexit is our aim"

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