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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
We haven't left the EU yet you utter pillock. When we stop pumping BILLIONS into their slush funds, we can chose how we spend it for ourselves. Quite simple, really.

We will still be propping up EU budgets after Brexit. It will be all give and all take.
 


Jan 30, 2008
31,981
We will still be propping up EU budgets after Brexit. It will be all give and all take.
glad you've realised that's what we've been doing for years while sponging members fill their boots, that will all come to an end and out comes the begging bowl from BRUSSLES............. roll up roll up
regards
DR
 


5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
Haven't been able to follow the thread too closely but please watch this one minute video:

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...-doesn-t-add-up-says-former-top-civil-servant

"Brexit is like giving up a three-course meal... for the promise of a packet of crisps in the future"

Why are we allowing ourselves to be poorer. Who wants to be poorer? £££££ - it is all that matters. Without spare cash you cannot 'do' politics correctly. Remaining in the SM is the Conservative thing to do. This is so painfully obvious.
 




5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
glad you've realised that's what we've been doing for years while sponging members fill their boots, that will all come to an end and out comes the begging bowl from BRUSSLES............. roll up roll up
regards
DR

We've paid a very small sum for a very great amount of access. This has been hugely enriching. Now we will pay a comparable sum for less access and greater vulnerability to policy change in Brussels. We will suck it up.
 




5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
Care to post your economic credentials? just so we can compare and contrast and decide which one of you might just have a clue?

Professor Patrick Minford is a macroeconomist who holds the chair of Applied Economics at Cardiff
University where he directs the Julian Hodge Institute of Applied Macroeconomics. Before academic
life he was an economic adviser to Her Majesty's Treasury's External Division and editor of the National
Institute Review. From 1976 to 1997, he was the Edward Gonner Professor of Applied Economics at
Liverpool University where he founded and directed the Liverpool Research Group in
Macroeconomics; this built the ‘Liverpool Model’ of the UK, which was influential in forecasting and
policy analysis during the 1980s. He was a member of Monopolies and Mergers Commission 1990-96;
and one of the H M Treasury's Panel of Forecasters ('6 Wise Men') January 1993-December 1996. He
was made a CBE for services to economics in 1996. His economic interests include monetary, trade,
labour market and macro economics and modelling. Recent publications include: Should Britain leave
the EU? An economic analysis of a troubled relationship, (with S. Gupta, V. Mahambare, V. Le and Y.
Xu) Edward Elgar, second edition, (2015).

I can post the credentials of pretty much every other economist?
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jul 11, 2003
59,192
The Fatherland
Which bit of WE CAN CHOOSE didn't you understand?

Are you suggesting the UK will choose whether it sets up and/or enhance administrative bodies to uphold all these EU laws which are going to be rolled over into U.K. law? This makes no sense whatsoever.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jul 11, 2003
59,192
The Fatherland
Are we choosing to spend some of it on the nostalgic Miss Marple Britain style blue passports?

[MENTION=36]Titanic[/MENTION] used the word simple in his original post....simple is also the word which now comes to my mind.
 






vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,866
If you think that's really true then I wouldn't be calling other people a pillock if I were you!!

You sort of expect better from a moderator...
 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patreon
Jul 16, 2003
57,842
hassocks
Boris strikes again.

Boris Johnson appears to have told the Prime Minister "it is wrong to see the task as maintaining 'no border'" on the island of Ireland after Brexit and the Government's task will be to "stop this border becoming significantly harder".

The major leak from the Cabinet's Brexit deliberations on the highly contentious Irish border is included in a letter passed to Sky News.

Writing to Theresa May, the Foreign Secretary also seeks to play down the "exaggerated impression" of "how important checks are" at EU external borders.

He also goes as far as contemplating a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, writing: "Even if a hard border is reintroduced, we would expect to see 95% + of goods pass the border [without] checks."

It suggests a significant downgrading of expectations about the change to the Irish border as a result of the Government's Brexit strategy and Mrs May's plan to leave the EU's single market and customs union.

As recently as November last year, the Foreign Secretary told the House of Commons: "There can be no return to a hard border. There can be no hard border.

"That would be unthinkable, and it would be economic and political madness".

In February 2016, ahead of the EU referendum, Mr Johnson promised the Irish border would be "absolutely unchanged".
 


DIFFBROOK

Really Up the Junction
Feb 3, 2005
2,266
Yorkshire
Which bit CAN WE CHOOSE WHICH BITS NOT to have?

Such as employing hundreds of Border Guards to man ports
Such as employing hundreds of staff to work in UK Drugs regulatory bodies.
Such as employing hundreds of staff to regulate and standardise aircraft sfatey standards

Then there are the pressures from communities such as Cornwall (who voted heavily for Brexit), but will want the Treasury to compensate for loss of EU funds

Then perhaps the sweetners that UK might have to make to car companies etc to remain in the UK.

The first 3 are near certainties if we leave EU - there will be others. The pressures, well we can decide on those, but those that voted for Brexit in those areas will be mightily cheesed off if they lose out.

Certainly, this taking control, but dont delude yourself that leaving the EU is cost free -there will be some very big costs.


Which bit of WE CAN CHOOSE didn't you understand?
 
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Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jul 11, 2003
59,192
The Fatherland




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,866
Which bit CAN WE CHOOSE WHICH BITS NOT to have?

Such as employing hundreds of Border Guards to man ports
Such as employing hundreds of staff to work in UK Drugs regulatory bodies.
Such as employing hundreds of staff to regulate and standardise aircraft sfatey standards

Then there are the pressures from communities such as Cornwall (who voted heavily for Bexit), but will want the Treasury to compensate for loss of EU funds

Then perhaps the sweetners that UK might have to make to car companies etc to remain in the UK.

The first 3 are near certainties if we leave EU - there will be others. The pressures, well we can decide on thoes, but those that voted for Bexit in those areas will be mightily cheesed off.

Certainly, this taking control, but dont delude yourself that leaving the EU is cost free -there will be some very big costs.


As for the Border guards, don't forget one of the tories floated the idea of a team of volunteer border guards watching over local airports and harbours....cheaper you see.

However,

Welsh Hill farmers will be wiped out without a grant and with tariffs on the lamb exports they rely on.
 





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