[Politics] Brexit

GT49er · Jan 21, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Looks like the work of some numpty republican bombers.

Quite possibly. Scum, anyway, whoever they are. On a scale of c**tishness level with warped Islamic fundamentalist scum. All scum anyway.

T.G said:
Surely this a mess of our own making Not sure anyone can blame the EU for this dogs dinner!

Our own making? We're all in the nut-job no surrender wing of the IRA now, are we?

pastafarian · Jan 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
if anyone thinks a few skinheads and gammons turning over a bin and setting fire to a Wimpy is going to extract us from the EU they are deluded.

Must be mentally exhausting for people like you maintaining such a high level of misunderstanding

Baldseagull · Jan 21, 2019

Raleigh Chopper said:
Please, not the 2 world wars soundbite again.
That's been done over and over again on here.
The fact that we got through a couple of wars and won them with the help of European and other countries around the world has got nothing to do with Brexit, we are a totally different country in every way now anyway.
And I was originally talking about a government and parliament that are at war with each other.
Also, if Brexit is stopped ( which I want) then it will be the people that turn on the politicians ( good) so which ever way you look at it we will be totally f****d.

I was picking over what classes as catastrophe. :shrug:

Baldseagull · Jan 21, 2019

pastafarian said:
No, he was neither implying that or saying that at all.

He was proposing exactly that, however much he, and you, want to weasel away from it. I will grant you that what he was proposing was not what was agreed to, but you and he cannot pretend that he once saw two referendums as the logical way to do it.
Now, at that time, he and everyone else thought that an in/out referendum would yield an IN result, but by having a second referendum and a chance to pull out if the deal was shit, it might get a few more people to dare to have a look at what out might mean. Cameron clearly thought that having a scary undefined OUT on the ballot would be the best way to get the remain result and put the matter to bed, for a few years at least. That obviously did not work out for him, and here we are, but don't pretend he was never advocating a second referendum after negotiation. It suited his agenda then, but it doesn't now, he argued for it then, and argues against it now.

Baldseagull · Jan 21, 2019

GT49er said:
If you think that will 'sort' it you are thicker and more blinkered than the thickest, oldest, stupidest, right wing, fascist, old leaver. The death of democracy in this country should a referendum result be over-ruled by the self-styled elite will have more serious results than even the 'intelligentsia' of the ruling classes think is possible.

Your calling it the death of democracy if our democratically elected MP's decide to give us a democratic vote on whether to go ahead , or not, with one womans version of Brexit? Seems a more democratic way than MP's being bullied into accepting said version of Brexit, with the threat of a no deal brexit that we are totally unprepared for, if they don't.

Baldseagull · Jan 21, 2019

GT49er said:
Yes. Defending democracy is paramount. Calling a referendum, and then trying to ignore it because the elite don't like the result is a total rejection of democracy. Preserving our democracy against those that wish to ignore/destroy it will be just as important as Magna Carta, the English Civil War, the Chartist riots of the early 19th.century, the rise against all odds by the Unions at the end of the 19th.and the beginning of the 20th.centuries, the Suffragettes movement and the campaign to end capital punishment.

All of which, you may have realised, albeit reluctantly and with a sickening feeling in your heart, succeeded against all odds and against the opposition of the Establishment. We will leave, even if not in 2019 if the two-faced lying cowards who cannot face up to their responsibilities and duties temporarily have their way, but hopefully in my lifetime. No apologies from me.

Your'e cracked mate.

The Clamp · Jan 21, 2019

Baldseagull said:
Your calling it the death of democracy if our democratically elected MP's decide to give us a democratic vote on whether to go ahead , or not, with one womans version of Brexit? Seems a more democratic way than MP's being bullied into accepting said version of Brexit, with the threat of a no deal brexit that we are totally unprepared for, if they don't.

Leavers are easily manipulated. They were manipulated into voting leave. They were manipulated into believing foreigners and the EU are to blame for things that lie squarely at our own governments' doorstep and now are being manipulated into believing anything but the hardest of Brexits would be undemocratic. They need protecting from themselves. They have Stockholm Syndrome.

wellquickwoody · Jan 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
There won’t be large scale civil disorder but if anyone thinks a few skinheads and gammons turning over a bin and setting fire to a Wimpy is going to extract us from the EU they are deluded.

Probably more than a bit 'gammon' yourself!

Is it PotG? · Jan 21, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
“think”, “may” - very reassuring for a sector which contributes about 30bn a year in taxes to the country.

Uncertainty is everywhere in this matter alas. Exciting times indeed, and obviously a great chance for growth and new business relationships. As with a 1901 lunch, nobody is totally sure what we're gonna get, even the country's finest financial brains.

The cognoscenti of NSC have tried to educate and inform we ignorant 'leave' plebs, but still we drone on. Thing is, you never know in such anonymous, typed snatches of banter, who you're talking to. Once again, exciting times.

Cheers !

The Clamp · Jan 21, 2019

wellquickwoody said:
Probably more than a bit 'gammon' yourself!

What are you even talking about?

wellquickwoody · Jan 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
What are you even talking about?

You have used the term gammon, I guess you know the slang meaning of the term? Therefore I will call you at least a bit 'gammon'.

nicko31 · Jan 21, 2019

So if you're one of the 3m odd EU Citizens in the UK you best get yourself an android phone, just embarrassing from the home office. Nothing for Iphone users...

But I'm sure they've got everything under control for crashing and no one will get hurt

The Clamp · Jan 21, 2019

wellquickwoody said:
You have used the term gammon, I guess you know the slang meaning of the term? Therefore I will call you at least a bit 'gammon'.

Sorry, no I’m still none the wiser.

Butch Willykins · Jan 21, 2019

nicko31 said:
So if you're one of the 3m odd EU Citizens in the UK you best get yourself an android phone, just embarrassing from the home office. Nothing for Iphone users...

But I'm sure they've got everything under control for crashing and no one will get hurt

Agree. Not owning an iPhone is highly embarrassing.

nicko31 · Jan 21, 2019

Corbyn took a lot of stick last week for not meeting May saying it was just a stunt. A leopard doesn't change its spots,. still got her head in the sand and now thinks she can re-write the GFA,

Just clueless...

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 21, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Uncertainty is everywhere in this matter alas. Exciting times indeed, and obviously a great chance for growth and new business relationships. As with a 1901 lunch, nobody is totally sure what we're gonna get, even the country's finest financial brains.

The cognoscenti of NSC have tried to educate and inform we ignorant 'leave' plebs, but still we drone on. Thing is, you never know in such anonymous, typed snatches of banter, who you're talking to. Once again, exciting times.

Cheers !

You’re getting a bit [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] here. He also uses allusion in this way. Why did you feel the need to add this sentence?

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 21, 2019

nicko31 said:
Corbyn took a lot of stick last week for not meeting May saying it was just a stunt. A leopard doesn't change its spots,. still got her head in the sand and now thinks she can re-write the GFA,

Just clueless...

Corbyn called it right. She’s not listening to anyone and is still trying to peddle her failed plan. I’m starting to thing there’s something wrong with her mentally.

nicko31 · Jan 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
Leavers are easily manipulated. They were manipulated into voting leave. They were manipulated into believing foreigners and the EU are to blame for things that lie squarely at our own governments' doorstep and now are being manipulated into believing anything but the hardest of Brexits would be undemocratic. They need protecting from themselves. They have Stockholm Syndrome.

Groomed by decades by the likes of Murdoch, Dacre and Desmond. Such victims need kindness in these difficult times...

Is it PotG? · Jan 21, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
You’re getting a bit [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] here. He also uses allusion in this way. Why did you feel the need to add this sentence?

Why, are you some expert in psychoanalysis as well as world finance, politics and corporate dining?

Deleted member 22389 · Jan 21, 2019

I bet there will be lots of scaremongering today about getting settled status. If you go on the government website it clearly explains what you have to do, however what people will do instead is be drawn to the rubbish posted online by people who can't except the result in the first place. I'm going to have to do this for my mum at some point.

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