[Politics] Brexit

neilbard said:

Mate, no deal is pivotal to the negotiations and the reason he doesn't want a referendum is because he knows he will lose votes from party members who a large proportion are leavers.

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Bold Seagull said:

It's not making the news as such, but the construction industry is rapidly losing it's skills and labour and has been since the referendum. Many EU workers are moving back home, not just because of the threat of Brexit, but their own countries economies are providing enough work for them.

Take that in context of the uncertainty and the impact on construction materials costs; the construction materials index had the price of materials jump 5.3% for the year to January, the biggest rise since 2011, and to say it's a 'coincidence' with Hitachi is miss informed at best.

The construction industry is desperate for labour, trade skills, and management experience, and cannot get it. The warnings are there. No project fear, project reality.

As I posted previously, even when we leave the EU, free movement from the EU will continue unabated, but we'll be able to re-name it. Which is nice.

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vegster said:

Have a walk down your local High Street, about the only shops left are coffee shops, Barbers and nail bars, all staffed by students, Turks and Thai's, we don't manufacture anything these days as its cheaper and easier to get it made in China and shipped in, the EU never forced us to do this.

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Chicken Run said:

No, he has a responsibility to the count to engage if offered, he only wants one thing and that’s a GE imho, he ain’t got one so he’s being a nob! It’s amazing when he talks about the importance of dialogue leading peaceful negotiations in a conflict situation, yet here he won’t entertain, I suggest he’s out of his depth!

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The Clamp said:

If you think any kind of business isn’t considering Brexit in all decisions at the moment you’re deluded.

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vegster said:

Of course the Prime Minister is renowned for her open governance and complete lack of " red lines " ? And this is why we are in this mess, pretty rich blaming Corbyn now after May and a small cabal have, in isolation negotiated to their self appointed red lines. We currently have the biggest lame duck Prime Minister on record but it's not her fault ?

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ManOfSussex said:

90% of Labour members are remainers and 72% are backing a 2nd referendum.

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Giraffe said:

I don't accept that. The thing that remainers don't seem to understand is that a large majority of those that voted leave did so because of the principal of sovereignty and control of our laws and money. Nothing has changed on that front so why would their vote change. I think most leavers would accept a small decline in economic growth to achieve this. So they would be voting leave again because they feel as strongly as last time, not just because of some sort of resentment as you suggest.

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Bold Seagull said:

He has entertained it, he has asked for 1 entirely reasonable confirmation, that most of the country is asking for as it happens, from economists, to the construction industry, to whatever else, that a No Deal Brexit is take off the table, as have the other leaders in the house.

It may have escaped your notice, but the government need votes from across the house, something May would have known the day after the GE, because her own party are so rabidly split. And yet you're annoyed at Corbyn. Ridiculous really.

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btnbelle said:

It is our productivity that is a problem.

The death of the high street is down to the growth of online shopping. A global problem.

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neilbard said:

Mate, no deal is pivotal to the negotiations and the reason he doesn't want a referendum is because he knows he will lose votes from party members who a large proportion are leavers.

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ManOfSussex said:

90% of Labour members are remainers and 72% are backing a 2nd referendum.

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Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:

Glad you included the word 'members.'

Certainly not the same as voters - especially in the North - Caroline Flint wrote an excellent article in the Guardian recently about her duty to her constituents.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/16/labour-mp-deal-no-deal-eu-brexit

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The Clamp said:

House prices falling,
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Bold Seagull said:

I realise that, but what I'm trying to paint for you so that it doesn't come as too much of a shock, is that immigration will not change after we Leave. It simply won't because if incoming numbers were the issue and over 50% coming in are from outside the EU, we would have already curbed immigration. We haven't and that should tell you that economically it is not viable to do so.

I appreciate you are in favour of controlled immigration, but leaving the EU will not change the numbers. In fact, I would go as far as to say that if our new trading utopia materialises, and we do have an upturn in economic output, we will increase immigration and make it as close to free movement from the EU as we can make it.

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Mo Gosfield said:

Interesting comment and highlights the real problem. i.e no one in authority ever gives a moments thought as to whether we have an ' optimum ' population figure in this country. i.e what figure can we sustain in this country before quality of life comes under pressure. Quality of life = the ability to move goods and services around, the ability of the population to move around, to get to their places of work on time. The quality of service available at schools, hospitals, surgeries etc. The availability of all services that the indigenous population take for granted.
We have a massive inbalance in this country. Most immigrants gravitate to areas of most work. The larger cities, London and the SE. They also gravitate to their own communities, lessening general integration and creating more and more ghetto areas.
We have had 20 years of uncontrolled immigration and it has taken its toil on the fabric of our society. It cannot continue unabated. We have to recognise that we do not have limitless space and resources in this country. There is a social responsibility to wrest back some sort of control, difficult as it is.

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Herr Tubthumper said:

As I said yesterday, self-serving selfish scum is the best I can come up with to describe the action of the Tory party to protect themselves and themselves only. If you or I had been so inept, and failed so spectacularly in our jobs, we’d be at the job centre now. In fact the vast majority of people would. We would not vote ourselves back in and then carry on as though nothing happened whilst stubbornly claimed to be able to find the solution when absolutely nothing she has said or done in the past 2 years has shown she can. She has just suffered the worst defeat ever in British history. For **** sake do the decent and honerable thing and walk Theresa May....and please do it in something other than those nauseous leather trousers...you’re too old for them.

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attila said:

Corbyn is absolutely right that no deal must come off the table in any Brexit negotiations.
No deal benefits nobody apart from a few City speculators - who of course are often Tory party donors.
Is that the reason May won’t rule it out I wonder?

Millions which could be spent on the NHS and giving starving kids enough to eat now being wasted on fake 'no deal preparations' like a crap artificial traffic jam at Dover.
The WI could make a better jam than that.
Unbelievable.

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Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:

Glad you included the word 'members.'

Certainly not the same as voters - especially in the North - Caroline Flint wrote an excellent article in the Guardian recently about her duty to her constituents.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/16/labour-mp-deal-no-deal-eu-brexit

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btnbelle said:

Yes, you paint a picture that is realistic. So ending free movement and choosing who we need is a benefit but the over supply of the workforce will end because it holds down wages.

EU = uncontrolled immigration, anyone can come and steal jobs from low skilled British citizens which in turn lowers their wages. Low skilled migrants from the EU, either move their familes here, start a family here and claim benefits. While others send part of their wages and benefits back to their family at home. They cost us money by not paying as much tax, claiming benefits and being a drain on our public services. Unless they are high skilled and a great value to us, i.e. a nurse, we don't want them to arrive and stay. We can still have a scheme for people to come and work on the farms.

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