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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
Yep. Which was pretty much what Anna Soubry said yesterday. Quite a balancing act now for Mrs May: The Scottish Conservatives, Anna Soubry/Dominic Grieve etc v The DUP, Jacob Rees-Mogg/John Redwood and the other right-wing oddballs.

Echoes historically of Harold Wilson's situation in 1975 - his Cabinet were pro-EEC, his party was against it. And we were already in. His solution? A referendum. As we know these always work nicely...............Seriously May's situation is about 500 times more complex than that. If she wasn't a Tory, hadn't called that Election and hadn't done a deal with the DUP I'd be feeling (almost) sorry for her. Could she have the leadership to (finally) face down the rabid Tory Leavers and go for the Ruth Davidson solution? Indeed could Davidson emerge from this shambles as the new Tory leader?
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,730
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Echoes historically of Harold Wilson's situation in 1975 - his Cabinet were pro-EEC, his party was against it. And we were already in. His solution? A referendum. As we know these always work nicely...............Seriously May's situation is about 500 times more complex than that. If she wasn't a Tory, hadn't called that Election and hadn't done a deal with the DUP I'd be feeling (almost) sorry for her. Could she have the leadership to (finally) face down the rabid Tory Leavers and go for the Ruth Davidson solution? Indeed could Davidson emerge from this shambles as the new Tory leader?

Think back more recently too - 22 years ago - Major stood down the Euro sceptics, called their bluff, beat Redwood and held on for the inevitable in 1997. May now finds herself in a similar pickle. Difference is now, someone like Redwood would win. She's in a right pickle.
 


Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
I know I shouldn't but..... I'm starting to feel really sorry for Mrs May... she gets her game face on for a big good news announcement and once again everything crumbles to dust in her hands. She couldn't wait to take the job as PM but we have managed to have the most useless PM when we need an absolute political colossus to steer us out of this mess.

I don't like to be mean but I find it hard to be sorry for her. She pretended to be a Remainer when that seemed to be the best solution for her personal career advancement but quickly showed her true colours after 23 June. I don't mind the Cashes and Skinners of this world - they believe what they say - it's duplicious turncoats I have difficulty with.
 


5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
I don't like to be mean but I find it hard to be sorry for her. She pretended to be a Remainer when that seemed to be the best solution for her personal career advancement but quickly showed her true colours after 23 June. I don't mind the Cashes and Skinners of this world - they believe what they say - it's duplicious turncoats I have difficulty with.

Bit unfair imo. She is only trying to fufill what she sees as her obligation to carry out Brexit. Her other option is to have parliament or the people give her a different mandate.
 








Titanic

Super Moderator
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
39,025
West Sussex
Ruth Davidson adding her opinion now and at odds with the rest of the Tory Brexit headbangers, without her MP's May is FINNISH

Hardly surprising is it? The lovely Ruth has a Scottish agenda... Mrs May is batting for the whole of the UK.
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,730
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Another Conservative and UNIONIST politician thinking of their country and batting for the whole of The UK.

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nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,523
Gods country fortnightly
Bit unfair imo. She is only trying to fufill what she sees as her obligation to carry out Brexit. Her other option is to have parliament or the people give her a different mandate.

Inclined to agree, she going through the motions that she has to go through, if they fail she can say she tried everything. Yesterday was an attempted fudge that even if the DUP had accepted would have just moved onto a crisis in another UK region.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
My I first of all state that I am not,and have never been,GT49 er.Anybody with all their marbles can see he is a normal,nice,clever man and it's only the rather creepy remaniacs who have more than one site identity.(perhaps they feel the need as they are in a minority!)
I see some of the dimmer ones are finally catching on to the fact that Ulster shares a land border with a country that remains in the EU (unless they decide to rejoin the Union).So no matter what Krankie or the other random idiots say,it is a unique case.If Krankie is so interested in standardisation,perhaps,as a starting point, we should reduce the amount Scotland gets from the UK's budget!
And we are still Leaving-all going well :thumbsup:
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,110
Surrey
Either the UK as a whole endures regulatory alignment with the EU, or Brexit doesn't happen. Hard Brexiteers will hate that, but their problem is that the DUP have put their foot down on this issue which means it is either that or no Brexit at all. And why is that? Because parliament won't rubber stamp a Brexit coupled with no deal.

I think it's also probably the best solution for the country. It was a dubious paper thin majority anyway, so a softer Brexit has to be the way to go. Essentially, we'd still have access to the common market (and the pros and cons that go with that), but greater controls over our border and laws than member states of the EU-proper.
 


Ernest

Stupid IDIOT
Nov 8, 2003
42,739
LOONEY BIN
Either the UK as a whole endures regulatory alignment with the EU, or Brexit doesn't happen. Hard Brexiteers will hate that, but their problem is that the DUP have put their foot down on this issue which means it is either that or no Brexit at all. And why is that? Because parliament won't rubber stamp a Brexit coupled with no deal.

I think it's also probably the best solution for the country. It was a dubious paper thin majority anyway, so a softer Brexit has to be the way to go. Essentially, we'd still have access to the common market (and the pros and cons that go with that), but greater controls over our border and laws than member states of the EU-proper.

Or the whole lot collapses before Christmas and Article 50 is cancelled and the Brexit headbangers go to war with everyone and everything
 








Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
I see our resident know-all has decided he knows how every Irish person voted in the Referendum.Has he perhaps conducted a survey of all the citizens of the Republic and Ulster,or is he just blowing smoke out of his backside as normal?
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,523
Gods country fortnightly
Either the UK as a whole endures regulatory alignment with the EU, or Brexit doesn't happen. Hard Brexiteers will hate that, but their problem is that the DUP have put their foot down on this issue which means it is either that or no Brexit at all. And why is that? Because parliament won't rubber stamp a Brexit coupled with no deal.

I think it's also probably the best solution for the country. It was a dubious paper thin majority anyway, so a softer Brexit has to be the way to go. Essentially, we'd still have access to the common market (and the pros and cons that go with that), but greater controls over our border and laws than member states of the EU-proper.

Basically the country is still split 48/52, 50/50, 52/48. So you are right we need some balance. A curb on immigration will be enough for most. Gambling the existence of the UK, and 45% of our business on hope from the USA, China and India is just nuts. If the hard core Brexiteers keeping pushing for the extreme Brexit, they could see no Brexit at all and they need to wake up fast

I'd like no Brexit, but for the unity of our nation I'd take the compromise
 






Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,110
Surrey
The DUP are such idiots.
I'm not sure that they are. They are a party whose raison d'etre is to ensure the Union with Britain is preserved. Their sole reason for not accepting the compromise is that they worry it makes them economically closer to the Republic of Ireland than Britain.

The idiots here are the Tories, who unnecessarily went to the polls and then ran the most arrogant campaign in history, found they had lost a majority and so got into bed with the DUP in order to preserve their grip on power. We are now all paying the price.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jul 11, 2003
59,208
The Fatherland
In Germany it looks like the socialists are going to step in and save the day. Will Britain follow? Comrades, they’ll thank us* eventually.

* - the true patriots.
 



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