View Poll Results: Is Theresa May is out of her depth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwylan View Post
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    The EU is very much about competition and is very suspicious of state aid to industries. The original scheme, unveiled in 2013, was very much on the British model but this was watered down. What the EC is proposing is a scheme where there's an element of competition introduced, as in the UK. What this probably means in practice is that an state-run organisation will probably win out against any new operator (unless the government wants to load the dice in favour of the new operator).

    But, by definition, it means that a single state-owned operator like BR wouldn't be allowed. It's one of the reasons why Corbyn and all left wing parties are so opposed to the EU
    State run doesn’t necessarily mean state aid though. If they have an issue with state aid then the solution doesn’t need to be preventing state run public utilities. I find it very hard to believe they’d bring in legislation which prohibits state run public services.
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      They have private companies running in competition on some routes, way different from what we do
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      Not an area I know well but I thought the majority of countries in the EU ran state operated railways?
      you can have state owned organisations as long as you dont carry out direct subsidies (or at least arent seen to be overtly...). nationalisation is direct state aid. good example is RBS, as a result of nationalisation EU directed the business must divest some of its assets, leading to TSB branch network being sold off. didnt work out so well for anyone involved.

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      State run doesn’t necessarily mean state aid though. If they have an issue with state aid then the solution doesn’t need to be preventing state run public utilities. I find it very hard to believe they’d bring in legislation which prohibits state run public services.
      the idea is that its not very fair on say Czech or Portugese utility companies if they want to run the Swedish or Irish utilities, because those countries block entrants to the market by having a national monopoly. of course many nations drag their feet, put up internal structrual barriers or find ways of fudging the rules, golden shares, national security etc.
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      Just because most people voted to leave, and some of those want a complete/hard brexit doesn't mean it's easy, or even possible.

      IMO the hard brexiters are hoping for some kind of utopian outcome, and are living in a fantasy land. Gove may just be coming round to the realisation that you can't always get what you want.
      It wasn't 'most people voted to leave'. It was a ridiculously low majority.

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      How do you know what the consequences will be?
      Maybe when we leave we can really start to spread our wings and be in control of our own destiny just like all the other big guns outside Europe but the problem is the weak liberals and remainers don't have the ambition or desire to progress and they're followers not leaders !!
      Read the thread mate, this has been covered and only the very thickest of Leavers ever thought that we can just walk away without it being a disaster, you must be at the dull end of that group if you still think it now. At the very start most leavers said it was just a negotiating stance to say we would walk away, we would not actually do it.
      I will no doubt be told off by a self righteous leaver bellend for saying "thick", just because leavers have a different opinion it doesn't make them thick, well yes it ****ing does if your opinion is that we can just walk away, do what we want and it will all work out fine.
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      It wasn't 'most people voted to leave'. It was a ridiculously low majority.

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      You sound desperate
      yeah ok
      Mostly just still laughing at your idiot lapdog clampy for thinking the chequers statement meant freedom of movement was remaining.
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      This is what we have been trying to say all along. The buzz phrase Take back Control is one big deception. We've always had control.
      Ah, our resident fibber has now moved onto laws

      Try and understand the difference between EU Regulations, EU Directives, EU Decisions and EU Recommendations


      THE TREATY ON THE FUNCTIONING OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
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      THE LEGAL ACTS OF THE UNION

      Article 288
      (ex Article 249 TEC)

      To exercise the Union's competences, the institutions shall adopt regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations and opinions.

      A regulation shall have general application. It shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.

      A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods.

      A decision shall be binding in its entirety. A decision which specifies those to whom it is addressed shall be binding only on them.

      Recommendations and opinions shall have no binding force.


      Try and understand the difference between those laws that must be transposed into UK law with parliamentary input and domestic legislation and those EU laws backed up by the competence contained in the treaties and the rulings of the ECJ where they are directly applicable onto a member state and bypass parliamentary enactments.

      http://researchbriefings.parliament....mmary/CBP-7863

      Parliament must be free to take back control of its domestic laws free from threats of punishment by EU bodies.

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      Talking about rubbish, did you ever find that EU mechanism you tried to find and thought you had(but failed) that gives us control of our EU borders, you know real border controls like quotas and permissions to enter via visas and permits, you have gone silent on that like many before you, have you given up and concede we never had these sort of controls in the first place, therefore your lie we always had control of our borders is still a big fat whopper.
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      I find it very hard to believe they’d bring in legislation which prohibits state run public services.
      I didn't say that. I said they can't introduce a state-run monopoly, there needs to be a competitive structure. I'd fully expect the status quo to persist - because of the cost of introducing competition.
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      We can send people and cargo up to the ISS, but we can't leave the EU. It does sound ridicolous. The EU doesn't own us. Nothing is impossible.
      Do you like your job? Is your boss perfect? Hours suit you? NO? what is it you want from it? I see, all the pay, health insurance and company car, but you only want to work the hours you want, when you feel like it, and have the right to decide not to do anything he says at all if you don't want to, and work for other people. Well if he says you can't have that, just ****ing leave it then, he doesn't own you, just tell him to stick it, don't worry about the money, never mind about the debts you have already, just borrow a shit ton more, let your kids pay it off. You will get another job eventually, maybe even a better one if you negotiate hard for ten years, but most likely you will take a couple of crappy part time jobs cleaning at first, just to bring in enough to pay the interest on the mortgage, not the capital but the kids can deal with that, and grow your own veg for eating,and keep chickens for eggs and meat.

      Just get on with it you gutless turd, do it, do it, do it, do it.
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