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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Raleigh Chopper
New member
You clearly know what you are talking about, it is part of what the remain voters actually thought about before voting, unfortunately leave voters did not think at all, rushing to the ballot box to get rid of johnny foreigner.
We must have another vote on the final outcome of negociations.
If it is leave again then fair enough but how was anybody expected to know what it really meant for this country and the lies from both sides will be seen to be true or false.
That Farage is a very naughty boy
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
He's reiterated it on Twitter.
[tweet]951400764697653248[/tweet]
[tweet]951400764697653248[/tweet]
Baldseagull
Well-known member
I agree, but I think it is worth working towards.
Traitor, hang him
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
That is a marvellous illustration of how tolerant and understand NSC is.That somebody can come on here and freely admit they are a banker,and a long term one at that,without suffering a torrent of hostility for the colossal fkup they made of our economy,is truly remarkable.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
The issue is how does a soft border square with being outside the customs union and single market? If we are not out of those, we are told by JCFG and yourself that it will not really be Brexit, because we will be paying fees and subject to EU law.
If we get all the access we want, but end up with less sovereignty by virtue of being subject to law we have no input in creating or amending, and paying fees in the region of current contributions, it will be brexiteers asking for a second referendum.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
His deal was we would not be forced in to closer Union, we would be free to choose to do so though. We would not get closer without a referendum on whether we wanted to or not, I know how much you respect the will of the people, so I would have thought that would be good for you too.
Raleigh Chopper
New member
I hate banks with a passion, but on this occasion its is a solid example of the effects of leaving and like them or hate them you cannot get away from the fact that financial services are vital to our economy, and they know it, thats why they got away with what they done lock stock and barrel and plumetted the country into debt, 2 trillion quid if i remember correctly.
But rather than see the post as a reason not to leave you divert away from facts, why cant you see that it is for the reason above and many others, let alone our useless in fighting politicians, that leaving is the wrong decision, give up now and come and join the intelligent side.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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theres the problem, they are working towards an an unacceptable fudge, rather than start from scratch, designing, present and selling a complete future vision. lay it all out on the table, what the USE will look like and mean - centralised bank, taxation, policy, loss of sovereignty, democracy through a properly empowered parliament after making the council and commission secondary. they dont/wont do this, they want the centralisation without the true democractic accountability, and do so in this creeping fashion to avoid upsetting too many citizens.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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begin by accepting that its a special scenario due to geography and history. its possible to do, only the proposed solution is dismissed out of hand rather than discussed to work through to a workable solution. parts of the solution are already in place in Norway and Switzerland so the legal technicalities are solvable, technology makes the scale of the problem manageable, its only politics in the way.
But can you honestly see a way where this aspect can be changed? The fact is, an open border with the Republic is non-negotiable. To change that is to rip up the GFA and that is never going to happen. Equally non-negotiable is to put the border in the sea, the DUP propping up the government has seen to that.
Regardless of the bluster from anyone on here on both sides and just looking at these facts, where exactly is the wriggle room? I honestly can't see any.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,302
But can you honestly see a way where this aspect can be changed? The fact is, an open border with the Republic is non-negotiable. To change that is to rip up the GFA and that is never going to happen. Equally non-negotiable is to put the border in the sea, the DUP propping up the government has seen to that.
Regardless of the bluster from anyone on here on both sides and just looking at these facts, where exactly is the wriggle room? I honestly can't see any.
the fact is an open border is undefined. do we mean a physically open border, one open to trade or one open to legal matters. we currently have a border where the first two apply but not the third. why cant we wriggle towards one where trade occurs physically but subject to addition regulation? as already case when you apply VAT for example.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
I agree largely, but I don't think the EU wants to avoid being a fully democratic body, it wants to avoid national self interest being at play at the highest level. There are lots of difficulties to be overcome in getting there, but for me it is a forward move so worth doing, Brexit is equally difficult, but a backwards step in my opinion, and ultimately is very likely to be reversed.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Final proof, as if needed, he is an idiot. I truly believe a second vote would deliver a remain win. Which, although I voted remain, is why there should not be one. If there was, and and remain won it, the leave camp would go into meltdown demanding a "best of three", and in fairness,would be quite justified in doing so.
I voted remain, and am gutted leave won, but that's democracy. Leave won, so lets just get on with it and get the best deal we possibly can.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
The DUP say that they do not want special rules for NI, they want to be just like the rest of the UK, which adds some complexity to an already complex problem. You are right though, only politics is the issue, stop brexit, and all is well.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Au contraire.I see the background of the poster making his post utterly meaningless,as bankers have time and again proven how they only do things in their self-interest,and the rest of us can go hang.An industry so useless and corrupt will only ever be trusted again when taken over by algorithms and AI.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
He did of course talk about second referendums before the first had happened, so I suppose at least he's being consistent with his idiocy:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017