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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Not feeling it today then HT ...........
pastafarian
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A facebook page of comments?Think ill pass for the moment thanks.
Whatever next,links to The Daily Testicle?Are they as uninformed as you? Feel free to share some of them on here if it makes you feel better.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
A facebook page of comments?Think ill pass for the moment thanks.
Are they as uninformed as you? Feel free to share some of them on here if it makes you feel better.
They're just ordinary people who voted leave, like most people I know - I even know a couple of people in that group. I doubt someone like you would feel too comfortable in their presence though, hence your haughty, condescending attitude to them, so probably best you don't read them and stay in your safe little bubble.
pastafarian
Well-known member
I will read almost anything from all spectrums to find balanced information.
I generally swerve facebook and twitter on brexit though, its infested by wallies and fake news for idiots.........you carry on though
Ineed, they are both echo chambers where people choose who they want to listen to based on their own predilections and prejudices. Not a great forum for enlightened and challenging debate.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
I don't look at them for news - it's more the comment from actual people that I know or know of that are of vague interest - unlike anything you have to say on anything, as you and your views are an irrelevance to me.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,892
I can't remember who is the official UKIP Party Leader is this week, looks like Nige has put his CV back in the frame. It's the second occurrence of the tail wagging the dog this week !
Marvellous scenes !
Moshe Gariani
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- Mar 10, 2005
- 12,071
Unlike NSC...!!!
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
They are conspicuous by their absence this morning.
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pastafarian
Well-known member
Remainers have moved the Soft Brexit Hard Brexit goalposts again today.
Never thought i would hear some of them say out of the single market, out of the customs union,ending free movement, ending ECJ primacy(except for citizens rights 8 years) was a soft brexit victory
Never thought i would hear some of them say out of the single market, out of the customs union,ending free movement, ending ECJ primacy(except for citizens rights 8 years) was a soft brexit victory
I don’t like liars.
That said, using a Guardian article in an attempt to back up his bullshit did make me chuckle.
tinycowboy
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I haven't read the detail, only the headlines, but you seem to have them: in the Guardian (bear with me), it states that "There is no figure on how much the UK is expected to pay but the document sets out how the bill will be calculated – expected to be about £50bn. The UK agrees to continue to pay into the EU budget as normal in 2019 and 2020. It also agrees to pay its liabilities such as pension contributions."
What is the distinction between liabilities here and the (expected) £50bn? Liabilities are normally defined as current obligations (I'm simplifying this a bit, but it'll do). Therefore, we could expect the liabilities to cover all existing agreed obligations (ie past budgets, pension deficits). The £50bn therefore should include elements that have not been agreed by us and which relate to the future, from which we may (will?) not benefit. If this is correct, this is effectively a penalty, a straight loss of £50bn, isn't it? I understand that, if you voted to leave, you may feel this is a price worth paying to prevent whatever the future may have brought had we remained in the EU, but I just wanted to clarify whether this £50bn (or whatever it ends up being) is a straight loss, or a repayment of an existing liability (ie that relates to benefits we will receive).
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Bit of a compromise here,methinks.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Still hungover,or still a little drunk?You are normally a bit more civil when sober.Try actually reading what I have written when your eyes can focus properly.I really don't know if you are just being obtuse,are still intoxicated,or really are a bit brain damaged.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
The only place that has a mention of the Four in Hand as the players regular pub.It surprised me,as well.
Nice quote from Michel Barnier at this morning's press conference when asked if the deal meant that the default position is remaining in the single market:
“No. You havent understood that well… beyond its decision to leave the EU… the British government has confirmed that it wishes also to leave the single market and the customs union which is not obligatory. There are countries who are not E.U. members, who are part because that is their wish, whilst respecting of the rules of the single market. But that’s not the choice taken by the UK. So you have not understood that well.”
That kills that notion stone dead then.
“No. You havent understood that well… beyond its decision to leave the EU… the British government has confirmed that it wishes also to leave the single market and the customs union which is not obligatory. There are countries who are not E.U. members, who are part because that is their wish, whilst respecting of the rules of the single market. But that’s not the choice taken by the UK. So you have not understood that well.”
That kills that notion stone dead then.
Fitzcarraldo
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- Nov 12, 2010
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Nice quote from Michel Barnier at this morning's press conference when asked if the deal meant that the default position is remaining in the single market:
“No. You havent understood that well… beyond its decision to leave the EU… the British government has confirmed that it wishes also to leave the single market and the customs union which is not obligatory. There are countries who are not E.U. members, who are part because that is their wish, whilst respecting of the rules of the single market. But that’s not the choice taken by the UK. So you have not understood that well.”
That kills that notion stone dead then.
Does it? As these negotiations have shown, what the government wishes and what actually happens are two different things.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Nice quote from Michel Barnier at this morning's press conference when asked if the deal meant that the default position is remaining in the single market:
“No. You havent understood that well… beyond its decision to leave the EU… the British government has confirmed that it wishes also to leave the single market and the customs union which is not obligatory. There are countries who are not E.U. members, who are part because that is their wish, whilst respecting of the rules of the single market. But that’s not the choice taken by the UK. So you have not understood that well.”
That kills that notion stone dead then.
"The United Kingdom will ensure that no new regulatory barriers develop between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom."
"In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union."
When are agreed solutions happening? Anytime soon?
I have re-read what you wrote....and it states quite clearly you claim your were boozing with Bryan Robson in 1972....at time when he had just signed as a schoolboy for WBA. Which part of this have I misunderstood?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,303
first the budget for 2019-2020 would have been paid anyway as pre-existing obligations. same applies to pensions (and it highlights they are running unfunded pensions, which no one seems to care about). the other liabilities beyond the established budget are, we are told by the EU, for projects not yet paid for (?!?) or committed to which have not yet been begun or completed, part of the expected future budget (which will rise in the 2020). there's also some provisions against load guarantees and ECB or some such. we do not gain the benefits of projects to build infrastructure in Portugal or Bulgaria, other than the warm fussiness of helping raise the standards of Europeans. if those projects are in the UK, we'll still get those grants and payments. so there's no "penatly", unless they try to get us to pay for projects way off in the future after we've gone, which they dont appear to be doing.