[Politics] Brexit

Hampster Gull · Jul 15, 2018

Ernest said:
Latest poll shows Labour on 40% Tories down to 36% and the right wing loonies going back to UKIP who are up 5% to 8%, and another minister resigns tonight but not over Brexit but due to being found sending 2000 (TWO THOUSAND) sex texts to constituents.

It's fair to say May has had better weeks.

The voters,will punish this bunch of incompetents as soon as they come back for a general election, no one likes a party self destructing at the expense of the country, and being pushed around by extreme right wing toffs.

WATFORD zero · Jul 15, 2018

portslade seagull said:
The game was rather forced on us, also I now think it was a power struggle of sorts internally which hasn't abated even after 2yrs

I think you should sit down, before I tell you about what religion the Pope is and what Bears do in woods.

larus · Jul 15, 2018

LlcoolJ said:
Mouth frothing. "That's right" (ooh look at me). "There may be or be" (what?)

What a pompous, idiotic prat. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I know you are, but we still tolerate you.

WATFORD zero · Jul 15, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
Ah, finally, it's become obvious why you have such a black and white view on this. You've made your decision purely on the fews words printed on the ballot paper. I assume you do the same at a GE - i.e. ignore any alternative sources of information about policies and promices and instead vote just based on the ballot wording.

I'm afraid you've just dropped two divisions - one due to relegation and the other because you've fallen into administration.

Well the way I so accurately predicted how the last 2 years would pan out immediately after the vote means that I either understood it extremely well, or I am very very lucky.

Can't stop now anyway, I'm off to buy a lottery ticket

pastafarian · Jul 15, 2018

Baldseagull said:
We didn't lose those powers, we chose to share those powers with others, we make those laws together. After we leave, whatever deal is done, what the EU does will affect us, but we will have far less influence.

Only a Europhile could convince himself that signing a treaty that gives The EU exclusive competence in certain areas to make laws without the need for our parliament and parliament losing these powers, is not really parliament losing these power because all the EU parliaments have a shared loss of these powers also.
Outstanding.

WATFORD zero · Jul 15, 2018

larus said:
The issue you remainers should take on board now is that all of the legislation to leave the EU has been passed. If nothing else gets passed in parliament, then we drop out of the EU in March next year.

That’s right. Remainers now need to get something through parliament to stop a hard-brexit/no deal.

The power is now with the Brexiteers, and, as more Tory MPs feel the heat from their constituents who voted leave, they will see that it’s not in their interest to support May and her plans any longer. There may be or be the numbers to remove her, but there are the numbers to thwart her.

I'll explain one final time, for those who 'take a little longer' to grasp things

We can't 'drop out' to a WTO 'no deal'.

So if we want a WTO 'no deal' we need to

Build a NI/Ireland border
Build Customs Posts
Build lorry parks at all ports
Build Customs handling at all ports and Airports
Design build and Test the IT systems to run all WTO rules and Tariffs
Employ and train the (probably) 10s of thousands or people to administer all this

in under 8 months

or, alternatively

Take an extension to EU membership (call it whatever you like - TM likes 'implementation', JCFG prefers 'emergency measures), under whatever terms the EU offers, until we have done all the above.

Now, i'm not a betting man, but what do you think will happen :facepalm:

pastafarian · Jul 15, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
Well the way I so accurately predicted how the last 2 years would pan out immediately after the vote means that I either understood it extremely well, or I am very very lucky.

Can't stop now anyway, I'm off to buy a lottery ticket

You predicted as well brexit wouldnt happen and that we would remain in the EU, how many multiple standpoints do you want to have before claiming you picked the right one?

astralavi · Jul 15, 2018

pastafarian said:
You predicted as well brexit wouldnt happen and that we would remain in the EU, how many multiple standpoints do you want to have before claiming you picked the right one?

To be fair he has been talking about the possibility of BRINO for a long long time

WATFORD zero · Jul 15, 2018

pastafarian said:
You predicted as well brexit wouldnt happen and that we would remain in the EU, how many multiple standpoints do you want to have before claiming you picked the right one?

I understand that too much porn and puff can make you imagine things

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pastafarian · Jul 15, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
I understand that too much porn and puff can make you imagine things
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Are you saying you have never expressed the view that Brexit wont happen and we wont leave the EU ?
Do you think i imagined you expressing this viewpoint?

pastafarian · Jul 15, 2018

The Clamp said:
Democracy doesn't begin and end with a referendum, pal. Democracy allows for people to express and act on their ideals and protects our right to not agree with ideals we are fundamentally opposed to.

Cool story pal. Good to know that in 10 years time if the country voted to rejoin the EU via a referendum it could simply be ignored and we could stay out anyway.
Thanks for the heads up.

LlcoolJ said:
Mouth frothing. "That's right" (ooh look at me). "There may be or be" (what?)

What a pompous, idiotic prat. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Its lovely to see the angry remoaners pop back into a thread they had given up on or have said they were not coming back to like you, and be even angrier than they were before because they have realised we are actually leaving the EU
I bet you wish at times like this that you had just been a normal remainer who accepted democracy and the democratic vote to leave and not a remoaner who thought they could stop us leaving. Sucks to be you

pastafarian · Jul 15, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
I understand that too much porn and puff can make you imagine things
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You have gone a bit quiet again chap on this issue....as usual
Is there a reason you still dont ever deny you used to think brexit wouldnt happen? is it because you would look daft holding various outcomes at the same time

Ernest · Jul 15, 2018

Maybot having a MASSIVE malfunction on the Marr show, needs a reboot quickly

Hillian1 · Jul 15, 2018

Ernest said:
Latest poll shows Labour on 40% Tories down to 36% and the right wing loonies going back to UKIP who are up 5% to 8%, and another minister resigns tonight but not over Brexit but due to being found sending 2000 (TWO THOUSAND) sex texts to constituents.

It's fair to say May has had better weeks.

Apart from him being married, what exactly has he done wrong?

larus · Jul 15, 2018

Ernest said:
Maybot having a MASSIVE malfunction on the Marr show, needs a reboot quickly

As someone who would probably vote Tory, the sooner she is gone the better. She was crap in the home office, ran a disaster out campaign and is completely incompetent as a PM. Saying that, there’s very few MPs (from any party) who I find inspire confidence.

larus · Jul 15, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
I'll explain one final time, for those who 'take a little longer' to grasp things

We can't 'drop out' to a WTO 'no deal'.

So if we want a WTO 'no deal' we need to

Build a NI/Ireland border
Build Customs Posts
Build lorry parks at all ports
Build Customs handling at all ports and Airports
Design build and Test the IT systems to run all WTO rules and Tariffs
Employ and train the (probably) 10s of thousands or people to administer all this

in under 8 months

or, alternatively

Take an extension to EU membership (call it whatever you like - TM likes 'implementation', JCFG prefers 'emergency measures), under whatever terms the EU offers, until we have done all the above.

Now, i'm not a betting man, but what do you think will happen

I’ve answered before that:
1. There does not need to be a border in NI. THere are exceptions in WTO rules for political reasons. Also, if there are plans to negotiate a trade agreement, then there is also a 10 year period allowed without a border. Also, if we tell them we aren’t going to erect border controls, what are they going to do? Really, explain to me what Ireland/EU will do if we say WTO and No Border controls.

2. A lot of paperwork can be done for mamnufactured goods before arriving at the port as is done currently for international shipping. These processes are in place for vast amounts of trade currently. We export more outside of the EU than we do into the EU.

There have been preparations for No Deal in many areas as has now been admitted. I agree that these are not as advanced as they should be (why? - Hammond in the Treasury; another Remaoner trying to thwart Brexit), but it won’t be as bad as Project Fear Part 2 are trying to portray.

What you don’t seem to take on board is that we have been constantly lied to be the establishment/business over the Euro/Brexit. A lot of people now say, “OK, there may be some disruption, but we’ll get through it”. Escaping the cesspool of the EU will be worth a few months of grief. You won’t accept that I know, but being honest, most Brexit voters are totally naffed off with the constant scare stories/lies from the remain camp.

Yes, there may be an extension period, but the Brexiteers are the ones who can now influence more than the remainers as the fall-back is WTO and No Deal.

Deleted member 22389 · Jul 15, 2018

Ernest said:
Maybot having a MASSIVE malfunction on the Marr show, needs a reboot quickly

Still don't know what Corbyns stance on Brexit is. We all know he is really a leaver. He just doesn't want to upset his voters.

daveinprague · Jul 15, 2018

bashlsdir said:
Still don't know what Corbyns stance on Brexit is. We all know he is really a leaver. He just doesn't want to upset his voters.

As there are leavers and remainers in all the parties, thats a bit of a daft statement. You think its just Tories? Especially considering you have frequently told us all that you know many leave Labour voters.

Hampster Gull · Jul 15, 2018

The Brexitears have had their run at it, failed miserably and now running for the hills. All will be good, extension of hybrid position with EU, then the Tories and their lunatic extreme right wing fringe will get the comeuppance at the next election, then more or less status quo. By then the type of populism that took Trump to power will have dissipated.

Papa Lazarou · Jul 15, 2018

Hampster Gull said:
The Brexitears have had their run at it, failed miserably and now running for the hills. All will be good, extension of hybrid position with EU, then the Tories and their lunatic extreme right wing fringe will get the comeuppance at the next election, then more or less status quo. By then the type of populism that took Trump to power will have dissipated.

But unless we get a Liberal govt at the next election we'll still have a party in power who will push for Brexit either way.

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