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[Politics] Brexit
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dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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The Conservative government were elected by around 13.5 million people.
dingodan
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
& We have an unelected chamber.
The EU have an unelected Executive.
JC Footy Genius
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Plooks must be far too young to drink (especially sherry) perhaps he's been on the Red Bull?
dingodan
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I'm not a fan of the HoL, I've never said I was.
& The power of the Lords to reject a bill passed by the House of Commons is restricted by the Parliament Acts.
& The EU Commission is the Executive branch of the government.
There is no comparison, and even if their was, an undemocratic aspect of UK governance is not an excuse for accepting the undemocratic nature of the EU Commission, which again, is the executive.
Please, no facts here. #ProjectFear
dingodan
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That post did not relate to my post.
It's as I said. 92% of our economy is not related to trade with the EU. 84% of our economy has nothing to do with international trade at all.
You would think, listening to the hysteria, that 50% or our economy related to trade with the EU. It's 8%.
ManOfSussex
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So you think 'a sympathetic (and very angry) audience of about 17 million potential voters' would consider voting for a UKIP party now led by Gerard Batten ably assisted by his new super best friend, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and which is now basically just a latter day version of the National Front from the 1970's, with Muslims replacing Jamaicans as the obsession of their bile?
Okay mate.
dingodan
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How would you make change in the EU? With a vote? no. Your MEP? no.
Even our Prime Minister (DC) tried to make change. He was laughed out of the room.
Nobody has a meaningful say in the EU except the President and his selected Commissioners.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
May giving her big speech in the commons, in her own words 'Nothing has changed'
dingodan
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I think your suggestion that they are like the National Front is stupid. But that is the argument that will be made, and because it is stupid it will be ignored. & any legitimate concerns about UKIP will fall by the wayside because you made such stupid claims the basis of your argument.
Would leave voters vote for UKIP? I don't know. But angry people who feel betrayed will do funny things.
Nobody expected Brexit. Nobody expected Trump.
Reverse Brexit and this is the risk you are taking, and you will be responsible for what happens next.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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Take your point BUT the fall in GNP from the inevitable reduction in trade (and investment) that will follow Brexit will have a knock-on - Economics 101, 'multiplier'- effect to the whole economy. Think of a chip shop near the Nissan factory in Middlesbrough and the guy who services the car of the chip shop owner and...………………...
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Baldseagull
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They are removable, by the EU Parliament, and their appointment is approved by the Parliament. This is more democratic than our PM and cabinet ministers choosing their own advisors in my opinion, whom are very much responsible for large amounts of policy put forward.
Who voted for Nick Timothy or Fiona Hill?
dingodan
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When in this country Parliament can give indications but the Executive has the final say. When in this country Parliment can approve but cannot propose legislation, only the Government can.
Then there will be a comparison.
Baldseagull
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No law is passed without being approved in the Parliament, it has the final say.
cunning fergus
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I dont like or agree with any EU Regulations, such the General Data Protection Regulation, the Markets in Financial Instruments Regulation etc. If it ends in an R I don’t like it or agree with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union)
The EU used to “govern” by Directives which had to be transposed by the Govts of member states, this meant Govts and respective Parliaments had authority to implement as they saw fit, in the UK for example we tended to gold plate EU Directives. I wouldn’t agree with them but at least they recognise the authority of member states Govts. EU Regulations are different and since Lisbon Treaty/2008 they are now the principal legislative tool of the EU Commission. EU Regulations go straight on the statute book without approval by the U.K. Govt or Parliament.
In my view the use of Regulations gets to the guts of the Leave campaign missive “take back control” and therefore I (as many others do who voted leave) expect HM Parliament to be supreme in making laws for the UK. In the case of Regulations HM Parliament is subordinate to the EU. This is unacceptable.
In every other organisation you highlight we are members, and not subordinate to another unelected law making executive.
Thunder Bolt
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Who votes for the House of Lords? Who votes for our government ministers? The EU is more democratically elected than our own Parliament.
cunning fergus
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Wrong, EU Regulations don’t.
If you don’t like GDPR then don lobby your MP, try one your six MEPs.
He or She will tell you that all the EU Parliament does is approve laws......the law makers are the Commission.
They are not elected, but selected.