[Politics] Brexit

Gritt23 · May 15, 2018

portslade seagull said:
All the remainers I speak to just want to get out now and do not want a 2nd vote. They are looking for it to either prove a failure over time or succeed.

Exactly, same here with the remainers I know, and the Brexiteers I know do NOT hate Europe and everything about it, and are most certainly not racists either, or thick having not understood etc etc.

The sweeping statements being made about people who vote this way or that are ridiculous and invariable wrong. It stifles debate because two points in, someone invariably makes a sweeping, inaccurate and often offensive point about the other persons views.

It's a shame because actually politics hasn't been this interesting in decades, and yet a good reasoned inoffensive debate has become a very rare commodity indeed.

ManOfSussex · May 15, 2018

nicko31 said:
With all the row over the Irish border, Scotland and Brexit has all gone quiet lately. A new front line emerges on Brexit, and another threat to the existence of the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44113864

A ratification vote needs to have a majority vote in the majority of UK nations, ie 3 out of 4. Its what Cameron should have done in the first place

On The Port of Dover front it's only been nearly 2 years since the vote, but finally a Minister from The Department for Leaving The European Union got round to visiting the port yesterday. I wonder if she's revised her view that no deal would be 'great' having had a look at some of the 2.1 million lorries that pass through it annually yesterday.

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Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
And as per usual you choose to be very selective. If you read back I said GDPR was good in principle.

You also fail to understand that thousands of companies across Europe use PDF / scanning as a data retention - and it will also be the case in your beloved Germany. That includes governments. Now I'll ask you AGAIN - because you've purposely avoided the question - how can companies carry out a search of the internal data of thousands of PDFs to search for one specific piece of data ?

The company I work for is highly successful - millionaire owners who started it from scratch, dozens of awards including placings in the fastest growing Sussex businesses awards and the Times Top Tech companies. It employs dozens of highly experienced IT engineers and we're finding GDPR a challenge. We have over 10,000 companies as customers and many are also finding GDPR a challenge. Yet somehow you and your lawyer mate can solve GDPR implementation in a few posts !! It suggests you both know fvck all about how to implement it.

I think it took my “lawyer mate” more than a few posts to get his company compliant but I’ll pass on your compliment. And I’m not suggesting it’s easy to search PDFs as it clearly isn’t; I’m more flabbergasted you are, in effect, using them as a database.

Gwylan · May 15, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
I've not seen anyone disagree with it ? I'm questioning the implementation not the motives.

bashlsdir said:
I can give you two for starters, GDPR and new MOT rules. GDPR is just more EU bureaucracy, another way to take control and another way for the EU to fine large companies money.

If you're fully in agreement with the motives, I don't see how you can question the implementation. This has been in discussion for years, the draft proposals were released about five years ago and have been open for amendments by any company or individual. There were thousand of submissions on this.

It's probably undergone more scrutiny than any act of the British parliament. It may not be perfect but I don't see how it can be any better. The final draft was published three years ago, so companies have had plenty of time to implement it.

And in reality, they'll get longer: every lawyer and compliance officer I've spoken to about this says that companies will be fine if they haven't made their procedures fully compatible with GDPR by the May deadline. What the authorities won't be happy with are organisations who have done nothing but a company that has made a start and has a road map for completion will be in the clear.

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2018

Gwylan said:
If you're fully in agreement with the motives, I don't see how you can question the implementation. This has been in discussion for years, the draft proposals were released about five years ago and have been open for amendments by any company or individual. There were thousand of submissions on this.

It's probably undergone more scrutiny than any act of the British parliament. It may not be perfect but I don't see how it can be any better. The final draft was published three years ago, so companies have had plenty of time to implement it.

And in reality, they'll get longer: every lawyer and compliance officer I've spoken to about this says that companies will be fine if they haven't made their procedures fully compatible with GDPR by the May deadline. What the authorities won't be happy with are organisations who have done nothing but a company that has made a start and has a road map for completion will be in the clear.

Quite. 5-3 years to bring your company up to date seems reasonable to me.

portslade seagull · May 15, 2018

Oh well another moan ends as pay rises overtake inflation and the jobless total drops again

nicko31 · May 15, 2018

ManOfSussex said:
On The Port of Dover front it's only been nearly 2 years since the vote, but finally a Minister from The Department for Leaving The European Union got round to visiting the port yesterday. I wonder if she's revised her view that no deal would be 'great' having had a look at some of the 2.1 million lorries that pass through it annually yesterday.

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Things are going well with the new infrastructure, lorry parks etc. no doubt, or will they just queue on Boris's bridge instead?

daveinprague · May 15, 2018

portslade seagull said:
Oh well another moan ends as pay rises overtake inflation and the jobless total drops again

Country doing well? Shame its in the hands of some ****wits who are turning their backs on that, and jumping into the unknown instead.

nicko31 · May 15, 2018

portslade seagull said:
All the remainers I speak to just want to get out now and do not want a 2nd vote. They are looking for it to either prove a failure over time or succeed.

You obviously don't know many.

About half the leavers I know want out now, the other half are saying they never thought it would be this complicated and divisive

portslade seagull · May 15, 2018

nicko31 said:
You obviously don't know many.

About half the leavers I know want out now, the other half are saying they never thought it would be this complicated and divisive

I was expecting this. At least my version is the truth. Do You have any friends in your fantasy world

daveinprague · May 15, 2018

portslade seagull said:
I was expecting this. At least my version is the truth. Do You have any friends in your fantasy world

of course it is.

larus · May 15, 2018

I see that GDP halved in Germany in Q1 2018. Must be Brexit.

Of course, it wouldn't happen in Germany :lol:

Westdene Seagull · May 15, 2018

larus said:
I see that GDP halved in Germany in Q1 2018. Must be Brexit.

Of course, it wouldn't happen in Germany

Or maybe it was all those German companies spending time replacing their industry standard document scanning systems.

Raleigh Chopper · May 15, 2018

portslade seagull said:
Oh well another moan ends as pay rises overtake inflation and the jobless total drops again

Regarding pay rises it's about bloody time, but people do not feel they are better off and many still have had no or very small rises below inflation, it does not truly reflect how people are feeling or what's happening.
Have you ever heared of minimum wage seasonal employment?
Never believe Government statements there is always more to it than they say.
I will always celebrate real pay rises and lowering unemployment but only when it is true across the country and at all levels, not cherry picking to make it look good.
You may wish to believe every word they say, I don't.

WATFORD zero · May 15, 2018

So, god knows how many posts on, we are all agreed that the EU introduces some good legislation, sometimes.

(Except for [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] obviously :lolol:

)

Now let's draw a line under that and get back to the question of the day. What is everyone's preferred option, Customs Partnership or Max-fac (the technology one)

And, since the EU have already said no to both, even the one that doesn't exist yet, does it make any difference ?

Today's the day the cabinet report back, so it will all become clear won't it ?

Tick tock

ManOfSussex · May 15, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
Today's the day the cabinet report back isn't it ?

Today is next Tuesday, but no decision is expected obviously despite there being only 6 weeks till The European Council meeting in Bulgaria. Tick, Tock though.

WATFORD zero · May 15, 2018

ManOfSussex said:
Today is next Tuesday, but no decision is expected obviously despite there being only 6 weeks till The European Council meeting in Bulgaria. Tick, Tock though.

Maybe they can use Agile techniques to bring it in on time, Boris for scrum master

Gwylan · May 15, 2018

larus said:
I see that GDP halved in Germany in Q1 2018. Must be Brexit.

Of course, it wouldn't happen in Germany

It most certainly didn't. The rate of growth halved, GDP itself didn't

Lincoln Imp · May 15, 2018

larus said:
I see that GDP halved in Germany in Q1 2018. Must be Brexit.

That must be the looniest untruth told on here for a day at least. Gee whizz.

nicko31 · May 15, 2018

larus said:
I see that GDP halved in Germany in Q1 2018. Must be Brexit.

You are by far the best Brexit poster on here

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