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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892
So, looks like the letters are going in for the no confidence vote, looks like we have wasted the last year and a bit with May hanging grimly on when she should have walked given the "strength " of her mandate. She has spent the last 2 years kicking the can down the road avoiding facing up to the fact that she does not know what she is doing.
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
And then, knowing Boris, he'll drop it on his foot :facepalm:

Possible or Gove will nick it and use it on Boris ... speaking of Gove

Exclusive: Michael Gove will only become Theresa May's Brexit Secretary if he can renegotiate her deal

Michael Gove will only accept the job of Brexit Secretary if he is given the chance to renegotiate the terms of Theresa May's deal with Brussels and the November EU summit is scrapped, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The Environment Secretary is considering quitting Cabinet while weighing up an offer from the Prime Minister to become the new Brexit Secretary after his friend Dominic Raab quit the role this morning.

He is considering whether to accept the role or quit the Cabinet entirely in what would be a significant blow for Theresa May. The Prime Minister is understood to be desperate to keep Mr Gove in Cabinet amid concerns she is facing an "exodus" of Eurosceptics from the Cabinet.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/15/michael-gove-offered-brexit-secretary-job/

Looks like May is dead in the water and the sharks are circling.
 








DIFFBROOK

Really Up the Junction
Feb 3, 2005
2,266
Yorkshire
Speculation that Gove will only take the job if he can renegotiate deal. This is the stuff of fantasy. it takes two sides to renegotiate. If the EU say thats it....and we had months of negotiation that takes us to the wire, then thats it. The EU are prepared for no deal. They would prefer not to have it, but as they keep saying they will not bend their rules. Might seem rediculous to us, but that is the reality.

So, the only thing Gove or anyone else will be able to do instead of TM deal is either No deal or peoples Vote. It is that stark choice.


Possible or Gove will nick it and use it on Boris ... speaking of Gove

Exclusive: Michael Gove will only become Theresa May's Brexit Secretary if he can renegotiate her deal

Michael Gove will only accept the job of Brexit Secretary if he is given the chance to renegotiate the terms of Theresa May's deal with Brussels and the November EU summit is scrapped, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The Environment Secretary is considering quitting Cabinet while weighing up an offer from the Prime Minister to become the new Brexit Secretary after his friend Dominic Raab quit the role this morning.

He is considering whether to accept the role or quit the Cabinet entirely in what would be a significant blow for Theresa May. The Prime Minister is understood to be desperate to keep Mr Gove in Cabinet amid concerns she is facing an "exodus" of Eurosceptics from the Cabinet.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/15/michael-gove-offered-brexit-secretary-job/

Looks like May is dead in the water and the sharks are circling.
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
17,750
Deepest, darkest Sussex
It's rather telling how many of the Brexiters in Government backed away from Brexit the minute it got written down. It reveals the fundamental truth, that it is undeliverable in a way they believe is "pure" enough without turning us into a catastro**** of a nation and international pariah. They rejected all the reasonable Leave options in pursuit of some mad idea, and when they actually got something like the idea decided they didn't like it. Even if May goes it doesn't change anything. The Hard Brexiters don't have the numbers to get one of their own on any Tory leadership ballot, so IMHO it likely boils down to something like Gove vs May if it even gets that far. There's no majority for any form of Brexit in Parliament, with the possible exception of Norway, and it's not even as though holding another election is likely to change that dynamic given the relative lack of movement in the polls. No Deal simply should not be an option for any sane country.

Basically we're ****ed. We're all massively, completely and irrevocably ****ed.
 




Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,664
West west west Sussex
So, looks like the letters are going in for the no confidence vote, looks like we have wasted the last year and a bit with May hanging grimly on when she should have walked given the "strength " of her mandate. She has spent the last 2 years kicking the can down the road avoiding facing up to the fact that she does not know what she is doing.

and yet unbelievable she was still probably the very best option in all of UK politics.
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892






pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,293
Possible or Gove will nick it and use it on Boris ... speaking of Gove

Exclusive: Michael Gove will only become Theresa May's Brexit Secretary if he can renegotiate her deal

Michael Gove will only accept the job of Brexit Secretary if he is given the chance to renegotiate the terms of Theresa May's deal with Brussels and the November EU summit is scrapped, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The Environment Secretary is considering quitting Cabinet while weighing up an offer from the Prime Minister to become the new Brexit Secretary after his friend Dominic Raab quit the role this morning.

He is considering whether to accept the role or quit the Cabinet entirely in what would be a significant blow for Theresa May. The Prime Minister is understood to be desperate to keep Mr Gove in Cabinet amid concerns she is facing an "exodus" of Eurosceptics from the Cabinet.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/15/michael-gove-offered-brexit-secretary-job/

Looks like May is dead in the water and the sharks are circling.

May has been a lame duck since she lost the election, wasn't it Osborne who labelled her the zombie PM or similar?

The Tory party, and Labour too, have been playing games for the past two years.
 


pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
False equivalence there, that voting against this deal is voting for No deal.
Everyones vote is equal, today, but you suggested that a party pressing for and getting a second referendum, would have no prospects in future elections. My point was that they need not worry so much about those that will be dead or not bother to vote in the future. I hate to break it to you, but Political Parties really do care more about the opinions of people who vote than those that don't, or can't.

How are they going to decide who is going to be dead.
As i said pathetic gammon territory. You are simply showing what a :censored: you still are
 








vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892
Well, could be a fascinating day in politics. The zenith of May's political career came about 7.30 last night when she managed to crack enough heads together in order to get a loose alliance behind her deal proposals, today that has come down brick by brick. I think the penny has finally dropped, I think that in less than 24 hours she has crumbled and at her 5pm press conference she will tell us she is walking

It's a pity it's taken this long, I remember when she looked at a nurse who said she was having to use food banks and said " Of course we have had to take some difficult decisions …."... Looks like you only have one more "Difficult Decision " Theresa ? Throw it in and enjoy your Ministerial pension.
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892




studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,611
On the Border
Well, could be a fascinating day in politics. The zenith of May's political career came about 7.30 last night when she managed to crack enough heads together in order to get a loose alliance behind her deal proposals, today that has come down brick by brick. I think the penny has finally dropped, I think that in less than 24 hours she has crumbled and at her 5pm press conference she will tell us she is walking

It's a pity it's taken this long, I remember when she looked at a nurse who said she was having to use food banks and said " Of course we have had to take some difficult decisions …."... Looks like you only have one more "Difficult Decision " Theresa ? Throw it in and enjoy your Ministerial pension.

And a new career on Strictly Come Dancing
 




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