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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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hans kraay fan club

hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
61,282
Chandlers Ford
JC Footy Genius said:
Public to be warned every week over no-deal Brexit
‘Bundles’ issued from August for consumers, companies and holidaymakers

Theresa May is to put the country on a no-deal Brexit footing this summer as she prepares a series of public warnings about the impact of leaving the European Union without agreement.

Consumers and companies will be given detailed advice in weekly “bundles” from the start of next week on how to prepare for “a disorderly Brexit”, under government plans.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/public-to-be-warned-every-week-over-nodeal-brexit-d9wd3lwbk

Tick tock ...
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Herr Tubthumper said:
You seem to be revelling in this.
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Indeed.

Tick tock...?

Seriously. The country is about to suffer all manner of unnecessary hardship, and dickheads like this think it’s funny. Like scoring points, and ‘winning’ arguments on the internet, is actually the important thing. What an absolute tosspot.
 




DIFFBROOK

DIFFBROOK

Really Up the Junction
Feb 3, 2005
2,266
Yorkshire
The EU are keeping to their rules. the rules of the other 27. I don't they are being intransigent at all. It is we who are leaving.

As for Remain manoeuvrings - I think you will find that they have been out manoeuvred by the hard brexiteers - who have tabled a number of amendments this week, that makes a Hard brexit more likely.


JC Footy Genius said:
Looking at the noises coming out of Brussels about her softer Brexit plan I think you're probably right. But then why would they budge. Elements in parliament have been doing the EU's job for them ... insisting the red lines dissolve and making it clear they would accept any deal the EU would offer rather than leave with no deal. I was always hopeful a deal could be made but looking at where we are now a no deal is looking distinctly possible.

The usual suspects would probably welcome the belated preparations as it theoretically shows we are prepared to walk away and not just bend over and take any scraps.

Not revelling but it would be ironic if we ended up with the hardest possible Brexit thanks to a combination of EU intransigence and Remain manoeuvrings in parliament.
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nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,571
Gods country fortnightly
pastafarian said:
But you ate meat before the supermarket?
I recall you saying you were going veggie for the whole trip......what went wrong with your virtue signalling?
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I confess did eat one steak (someone took me to a steakhouse and didn't want to appear rude). the chicken did put me off after that
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
DIFFBROOK said:
The EU are keeping to their rules. the rules of the other 27. I don't they are being intransigent at all. It is we who are leaving.

As for Remain manoeuvrings - I think you will find that they have been out manoeuvred by the hard brexiteers - who have tabled a number of amendments this week, that makes a Hard brexit more likely.
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The EU can fudge, alter or ignore rules when it suits. Negotiations involve give and take on both sides.

Brexiteers only responded to May's deciding on a softer brexit option applauded by Soubry, Clarke etc. This is still not enough for the EU though. I can see us being forced into a no deal corner. Their choice, putting the well being of european citizens and businesses above the EU project was perhaps always too much to ask.
 


larus

larus

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,580
In the land of hope and expectation....
DIFFBROOK said:
So, what do you think this refers to? " it is hard to see how the Conservative Government of the 1980s could have done their vital supply-side reforms with those freedoms taken away"

Liam Fox hasn't ruled out the lowering of standards on food i.e accepting US Chlorinated Chicken.
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How do you link supply-side changes and food-standards? Talk about scraping the barrel.

If these supply-side reforms were so bad, why didn’t Labour in their 13 years in power change them all, or even some of them?
 




Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2010
960
JC Footy Genius said:
The usual suspects would probably welcome the belated preparations as it theoretically shows we are prepared to walk away and not just bend over and take any scraps.
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bashlsdir said:
Advance warning for Leavers. Expect the scaremongering to ramped up now until the day we leave. They will bombard us, they will try and frighten us, it's all part of the breaking you down process so you actually start believing the world is going to end.
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You sure about that?
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,495
The Fatherland
JC Footy Genius said:
EU intransigence.
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They didn’t ask you to leave. You voted to leave, amid the bluster and swagger of they need us more than we need them, Prosecco and German car sales etc etc which patently isn’t the case is it? Put simply, it’s not the EUs job to ensure any kind of Brexit hard or soft; they’re job is to look after their own citizens first and foremost....just like it’s Thersa May’s job to look after hers.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,495
The Fatherland
JC Footy Genius said:
The EU can fudge, alter or ignore rules when it suits. Negotiations involve give and take on both sides.

Brexiteers only responded to May's deciding on a softer brexit option applauded by Soubry, Clarke etc. This is still not enough for the EU though. I can see us being forced into a no deal corner. Their choice, putting the well being of european citizens and businesses above the EU project was perhaps always too much to ask.
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You really are a ****ing moron.

And this will be my parting shot as it’s time for travels.
 




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Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
pastafarian said:
If you really care about this political argument and your country why do you tell bullshit like we already control our EU borders or we already control all our laws or the ECJ is nothing to do with the EU.
Sounds like you only care about your opinion as defined by whoever is mis-informing you, if you cared about your own country or its politics you would be open to be proven wrong on your rubbish.......the fact you refuse to accept the lies you have been told are lies says you do not really care about the country as you have placed your opinion above reproach
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Rubbish, lies, misinformation... I think I'm going to have to get some advice about this from the 50-odd Argentinians who all bar one have told me that they think Brexit is a terrible idea.
 


pastafarian

pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex


pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Lincoln Imp said:
Rubbish, lies, misinformation... I think I'm going to have to get some advice about this from the 50-odd Argentinians who all bar one have told me that they think Brexit is a terrible idea.
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im sure they will inform you that "we have always controlled our borders" is porkies " we have always had controls over all our laws" is porkies and " the ECJ is nothing to do with the EU" is laughable rubbish. My point stands.
 




Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Lincoln Imp said:
Rubbish, lies, misinformation... I think I'm going to have to get some advice about this from the 50-odd Argentinians who all bar one have told me that they think Brexit is a terrible idea.
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Only cos they didn't get the Falklands from Junker.
 








pb21

pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,293
JC Footy Genius said:
The EU can fudge, alter or ignore rules when it suits. Negotiations involve give and take on both sides.

Brexiteers only responded to May's deciding on a softer brexit option applauded by Soubry, Clarke etc. This is still not enough for the EU though. I can see us being forced into a no deal corner. Their choice, putting the well being of european citizens and businesses above the EU project was perhaps always too much to ask.
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The EU need us more than we need them though, don't they, I think that's what people advocating Brexit think?

Why on earth would the EU force a no deal option?

[tweet]877897331831709697[/tweet]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-38648078/paul-nuttall-eu-needs-us-more-than-we-need-them

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35409274

You might think that Brexit folk make up stuff they think might convince other people Brexit is a good idea. ???
 
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Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
Kinky Gerbils said:
She’s is sounding weaker and weaker.

She still doesn’t understand the EU are not going to budge.
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That's their prerogative ,we just walk away with a NO DEAL,no more bullying from them , let them slope off and suffer because they will suffer in the long term , BYE BYE EU :)
regards
DR
 
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Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
'Mr Barnier questioned whether the white paper was workable without additional bureaucracy and also raised concerns about the collection of tariffs.
He said: 'Are the British proposals in the interests of the EU?
'How could the EU delegate the application of EU tariffs to a country that is no longer a member state, that is no longer subject to our rules of governance? Is it legally feasible?'

He's got a point.
 


Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
Garry Nelson's teacher said:
'Mr Barnier questioned whether the white paper was workable without additional bureaucracy and also raised concerns about the collection of tariffs.
He said: 'Are the British proposals in the interests of the EU?
'How could the EU delegate the application of EU tariffs to a country that is no longer a member state, that is no longer subject to our rules of governance? Is it legally feasible?'

He's got a point.
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WHO CARES, we're leaving the EU we HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS FOR US
regards
DR
 


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