[Politics] Brexit

larus · Jul 10, 2018

WATFORD zero said:
I'll ask again.

What preparations should we have made for no deal?

Start building the NI border and border posts?

Start building the lorry parks at the Ports?

Start requirements analysis and design of the IT systems to handle WTO rules and tariffs?

Reports say that preparations have been made and are still being made.

WTO rules allow borders not to be hard if there are ‘political reasons’. Also, there is a separate clause which allows no border for 10 years whilst negotiations are on going. (Only quoting what I’ve read elsewhere).

Most goods won’t need inspecting and can be waived through. This is how the vast majority of trade is done. For example, manufactured parts - what inspection needs to be done? We already have to cater for different tax regimes between NI and Ireland as it is.

You’re believing too much Project Fear Phase 2.

Gwylan · Jul 10, 2018

golddene said:
But Trig, the current ruling party introduced this fixed FIVE year term, Labour do not have to present their manifesto for another FOUR years!!! they are Her Majesties opposition and they are opposing, they are NOT required to put forward their own agender until either an election is called or the five year term has expired.

Not only are they not required to, it would be positively foolish to do so. Why show your hand unnecessarily?

larus · Jul 10, 2018

ManOfSussex said:
What agreement has been reached on aviation then?

If you honestly believe that they can’t just agree something like that easily then there’s no point having a discussion.

Just because we leave the EU doesn’t invalidate our processes. All companies will be adhering to ISO/ AS9001 standards etc.

This is purely more remain/EU BS.

larus · Jul 10, 2018

Ernest said:
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Yep, sooner we get rid of the remainers in government the better.

Brexit means Brexit.

No deal means no money.

ManOfSussex · Jul 10, 2018

larus said:
If you honestly believe that they can’t just agree something like that easily then there’s no point having a discussion.

Just because we leave the EU doesn’t invalidate our processes. All companies will be adhering to ISO/ AS9001 standards etc.

This is purely more remain/EU BS.

For some reason the aviation industry in this country and in the EU don't think it's going to be as simple as just that once we're out The Open Skies Agreement, but I'm sure Chris Grayling will negotiate all the reciprocal and bilateral agreements in time to replace it all and no landing slots/rights will be affected etc. I'm surprised it hasn't been sorted already with someone of his calibre on the Transport brief.

ManOfSussex · Jul 10, 2018

larus said:
Reports say that preparations have been made and are still being made.

WTO rules allow borders not to be hard if there are ‘political reasons’. Also, there is a separate clause which allows no border for 10 years whilst negotiations are on going. (Only quoting what I’ve read elsewhere).

Most goods won’t need inspecting and can be waived through. This is how the vast majority of trade is done. For example, manufactured parts - what inspection needs to be done? We already have to cater for different tax regimes between NI and Ireland as it is.

You’re believing too much Project Fear Phase 2.

If there's No Deal and things can be just waived through, why are non-EU lorries currently stopped at Dover and subject to checks and delays of 20 minutes, as per The Swiss/French and Norwegian/Swedish borders? They make up about just 3% of the total going through Dover each year. The FTA, The RHA, The Dover MP Charlie Elphicke, to name but three, were all calling for the infrastructure, such as lorry parks being built, The M20 widened, The A2 duelling etc to be in place in time in this scenario. It isn't going to be.

Alternatively dismiss it as Project Fear and believe something Jacob Rees-Mogg says.

larus · Jul 10, 2018

ManOfSussex said:
For some reason the aviation industry in this country and in the EU don't think it's going to be as simple as just that once we're out The Open Skies Agreement, but I'm sure Chris Grayling will negotiate all the reciprocal and bilateral agreements in time to replace it all and no landing slots/rights will be affected etc. I'm surprised it hasn't been sorted already with someone of his calibre on the Transport brief.

Well, I’m sure that companies, the EU and the Remain backing civil servants wouldn’t lie or mislead would they? Of course not - they’ve never done it before have they?

As for Grayling - another wet weekend politician. There’s too many in both parties - however, I notice that the Labour supporters aren’t critical of the Labour ones. Well, only Bliar anyway.

The odd thing is that the leader that most Labour voters despise is the only one in the last 40 years to win an election, and he wasn’t really Left-Wing.

ManOfSussex · Jul 10, 2018

larus said:
Well, I’m sure that companies, the EU and the Remain backing civil servants wouldn’t lie or mislead would they? Of course not - they’ve never done it before have they?

As for Grayling - another wet weekend politician. There’s too many in both parties - however, I notice that the Labour supporters aren’t critical of the Labour ones. Well, only Bliar anyway.

The odd thing is that the leader that most Labour voters despise is the only one in the last 40 years to win an election, and he wasn’t really Left-Wing.

So they're just lying, remoaners and throw in a random rambling about Tony Blair and Labour - That's the spirit. :thumbsup:

daveinprague · Jul 10, 2018

We have reached blaming the 'remainers' already? Much sooner than expected. Bravo. Great effort!

JC Footy Genius · Jul 10, 2018

daveinprague said:
We have reached blaming the 'remainers' already? Much sooner than expected. Bravo. Great effort!

We have a PM who voted remain, a Chancellor who voted remain, most of the cabinet voted remain and a big majority of MP's in parliament voted remain .. they are the ones in charge and have decided on a softer Brexit which is why Davis/Boris and others have resigned. All were intent on diluting Brexit ,some reversing it as they don't really believe in it. The section of leave voters who voted the way they did because they were fed up of being ignored/patronised/ridiculed are having their reasoning validated yet again..

daveinprague · Jul 10, 2018

JC Footy Genius said:
We have a PM who voted remain, a Chancellor who voted remain, most of the cabinet voted remain and a big majority of MP's in parliament voted remain .. they are the ones in charge and have decided on a softer Brexit which is why Davis/Boris and others have resigned. All were intent on diluting Brexit ,some reversing it as they don't really believe in it. The section of leave voters who voted the way they did because they were fed up of being ignored/patronised/ridiculed are having their reasoning validated yet again..

Yeah. Let's not say anything about Brexiteers campaigning for 40 odd years and having no fecking plan. Blame everybody else. It's easier (and predicted by many)

cunning fergus · Jul 10, 2018

studio150 said:
Someone who is wealthy enough to not worry about the inflation rate increasing by at least 2.5% points if we moved to WTO terms with no increase in wages.

So you say........

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...ent-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html

Bold Seagull · Jul 10, 2018

cunning fergus said:
So you say........

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...ent-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html

Christ, that dates before the vote itself!

studio150 · Jul 10, 2018

cunning fergus said:
So you say........

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...ent-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html

2 years old, perhaps you can let us know how UK wages have risen in this period against inflation, rather than posting something that hasn't happened and won't be an increase in real terms post Brexit

ozzygull · Jul 10, 2018

Let’s blame the people who voted to remain, for the mess caused by Brexit.

Dorset Seagull · Jul 10, 2018

ozzygull said:
Let’s blame the people who voted to remain, for the mess caused by Brexit.

The trouble is each side blames the other but I’m sure most people voted for what they believed in. The decision to go to the people in the first place and the subsequent catastrophic mess that has ensued should be squarely blamed on the politicians

pastafarian · Jul 10, 2018

The Rivet said:
This thread will be merged!

Forgone conclusion as soon as [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION] started expressing opinions on brexit.
Chuck it in the brexit thread so he cant post anymore.........some mod really has it in for him :wink:

ozzygull · Jul 10, 2018

Dorset Seagull said:
The trouble is each side blames the other but I’m sure most people voted for what they believed in. The decision to go to the people in the first place and the subsequent catastrophic mess that has ensued should be squarely blamed on the politicians

That’s exactly what I think. I was grumpy with my mum for the way she voted. But then I realised that the only way she could vote was by gut feeling. My mum has not internet access, and struggles to understand even the basics of modern day life. I on the other hand did a massive amount of research try to read in many views as possible. But I still had to go with gut instinct.

People talk of democracy, but we already have that and we vote hoping that the people who run the country do so in our best interest. If our priminister at the time was a remainer, because he thought we were better being in the EU. I am guessing he had access to more facts then me or my mother, why the hell did he give people who realistically don’t have a scooby a chance to decide. He took a risk and it back fired and now we are all going to pay. Remember It’s only the rich that prosper when things go dramatically tits up. So I do not think the current incumbents will give a flying duck.

pastafarian · Jul 10, 2018

The prime minister didnt give the electorate the chance to decide by himself. 544 MP`s democratically voted to delegate the decision to the voters.

Guinness Boy · Jul 10, 2018

bashlsdir said:
Your be a dusty old pensioner yourself one day. Regardless of how they voted, all pensioners should be treated with respect. They have more experience of life.

Fewer brain cells though :thumbsup:

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