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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Publius Ovidius

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,009
at home
People are talking about the Norway option. Is the Norway option all the rules and regulations of the eu without a seat at the Table?

What does the Norway option give us that Teresa may's option doesn't?
 














Publius Ovidius

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,009
at home
People are talking about the Norway option. Is the Norway option all the rules and regulations of the eu without a seat at the Table?

What does the Norway option give us that Teresa may's option doesn't?

Anyone?
 


WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
25,787
you'll get a head ache with all that thinking , still dreaming of that soft of softest Norway style Brexit

regards
DR

Oh bless, still confused I see.

The Norway option is what you voted for, it's leaving the EU.

I voted to remain.

I'm not sure I could make it any simpler :shrug:
 








Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
What does the Norway option give us that Teresa may's option doesn't?

I suppose from Mrs May's point of view, Norway provides a few more Labour MPs likely to vote for it. This whole fandangle is all about benefitting the Conservative Party of course. Nothing to do with us.
 


daveinplzen

New member
Aug 31, 2018
2,846
I suppose from Mrs May's point of view, Norway provides a few more Labour MPs likely to vote for it. This whole fandangle is all about benefitting the Conservative Party of course. Nothing to do with us.

Norway dont want us in EFTA anyway, forget that.
 




Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
People are talking about the Norway option. Is the Norway option all the rules and regulations of the eu without a seat at the Table?

What does the Norway option give us that Teresa may's option doesn't?
No, not quite.

It is 18% - 20% of the rules, without a vote on them, but with a collaborative good faith consultation input on them ( although we all know that Raab etc. prefer confrontation rather than collaboration... ).

So ~80% of EU laws would no longer apply, and disputes are resolved by the EFTA court not the EU court. And the EFTA court would have some UK judges if we re-joined EFTA ( which we left to join the common market / EEC / EU ).

No 'ever closer union', EU Army etc. etc.


I like it a lot. More than remaining in the EU actually.

Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein like it too - otherwise they'd leave it...


It needs a '+' though to sort out the Irish border, and probably a 'dreaded' backstop.
 
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daveinplzen

New member
Aug 31, 2018
2,846
Hasn't Norway already said piss off regarding the UK joining EFTA?
 


Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Hasn't Norway already said piss off regarding the UK joining EFTA?
No. Not officially. It depends which Norwegian politician is expressing an opinion. Much like individual UK politicians don't all have the same view.

I reckon a deal could be done, no point in giving up on day 1.
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
No, not quite.

It is 18% - 20% of the rules, without a vote on them, but with a collaborative good faith consultation input on them ( although we all know that Raab etc. prefer confrontation rather than collaboration... ).

So ~80% of EU laws would no longer apply, and disputes are resolved by the EFTA court not the EU court. And the EFTA court would have some UK judges if we re-joined EFTA ( which we left to join the common market / EEC / EU ).

No 'ever closer union', EU Army etc. etc.


I like it a lot. More than remaining in the EU actually.

Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein like it too - otherwise they'd leave it...


It needs a '+' though to sort out the Irish border, and probably a 'dreaded' backstop.

In return for that access Norway is obliged to implement all the EU’s laws relating to the internal market. As a result, Norway has had to implement about three-quarters of all EU legislation, including the working time directive.

What say does Norway have over EU rules?
None. Norway has representatives in EU institutions, but they have no decision-making power in how EU rules are drafted.

The country has been granted participation rights, but no voting rights, in several of the union’s programmes, bodies and initiatives, including the European Defence Agency, Frontex, Europol and the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction.

The thinktank Open Europe estimates that the UK would pay 94% of its current costs (£31.4bn annually) if it left the EU but adopted a Norway-type arrangement.

The UK has more control over its borders than Norway, which is part of the Schengen border-free area. As a result, Norway has higher per capita immigration than the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean-for-britain

Just to clarify your overall view is no deal should never be an option so any sh*t deal is better ..... and being on a par with Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland is what the UK should be seeking to achieve :rolleyes: :shootself:facepalm:
 


Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
11,801
Cumbria
In return for that access Norway is obliged to implement all the EU’s laws relating to the internal market. As a result, Norway has had to implement about three-quarters of all EU legislation, including the working time directive.

What say does Norway have over EU rules?
None. Norway has representatives in EU institutions, but they have no decision-making power in how EU rules are drafted.

The country has been granted participation rights, but no voting rights, in several of the union’s programmes, bodies and initiatives, including the European Defence Agency, Frontex, Europol and the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction.

The thinktank Open Europe estimates that the UK would pay 94% of its current costs (£31.4bn annually) if it left the EU but adopted a Norway-type arrangement.

The UK has more control over its borders than Norway, which is part of the Schengen border-free area. As a result, Norway has higher per capita immigration than the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean-for-britain

Just to clarify your overall view is no deal should never be an option so any sh*t deal is better ..... and being on a par with Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland is what the UK should be seeking to achieve :rolleyes: :shootself:facepalm:

So - no 'taking back control of our borders' and no '£350m for the NHS' then. Can't see any Brexiteer going for this.
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
So - no 'taking back control of our borders' and no '£350m for the NHS' then. Can't see any Brexiteer going for this.

Both the PM's deal and a Norway option completely undermines/reneges on the central theme of the Brexit 'take back control' campaign and the Conservative party 2017 manifesto commitments. Obviously Undemocratic loons and many remainer MP's ignore this fact and see this outcome as a second prize succesfully undermining the referendum.
 








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