[Politics] Brexit

Hamilton · Apr 12, 2016

bashlsdir said:
The EU has already sold us down the river, that's why we have no control over our borders, that's why we pay the EU millions a day and they keep coming for more.

Simplistic and emotional response that is of no use to anyone. It is far more layered than that.

The Rivet · Apr 12, 2016

Hamilton said:
I'm afraid it's not.

Oh yes it is! Are we in pantomime mode?

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 12, 2016

Hamilton said:
I agree. The money men never lose. In or out, they will look after themselves. I'm more interested in the impact this will have on the wider public. Leave the rich to themselves, they'll do alright. Let's not make things harder on ourselves though.

I agree.

melias shoes · Apr 12, 2016

Hamilton said:
Er, are you aware of how much of a basket case our economy was?

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Are you aware the euro zone economy was in a far worse state than ours ever was.

sir albion · Apr 12, 2016

brightn'ove said:
Purely from a selfish short-termist point of view:

- I want to be able to work anywhere in the EU, there are some amazing cities and countries that I would like to spend extended periods of time in.
- I don't want my savings to be devalued compared to other currencies as the £ will inevitably drop significantly in the event of a brexit.
- I don't want to stand in the incredibly long 'rest of world' passport queues at European airports.

I'm willing to pay the £138 a year for the privileges of that membership.

The EU institution clearly has problems but you need strong leaders in that organisation to reform it, not hand more economic and political power to the other large EU nations.

I understand that,but surely Britain as a whole is far more bigger than thinking of your finances in the short term?
I'd happily lose my job to safeguard this country from the pillocks in Brussels who will eventually destroy this country in the future if we stay in.
Time that people put the country first rather than their own selfish reasons to stay in.

The Rivet · Apr 12, 2016

melias shoes said:
Are you aware the euro zone economy is in a far worse state than ours ever was.

Of course not. his head is in the sand.

sir albion · Apr 12, 2016

I'm astonished that people who want in actually think the European Union is a good thing and the futures bright...look around Europe and you'll see what the EU has done to once great countries.

Lincoln Imp · Apr 12, 2016

melias shoes said:
Mine's already on it's way back to Downing street.

It isn't if you didn't put a stamp on it.

Buzzer · Apr 12, 2016

Notters said:
I'm not sure I'd have my vote swayed by a bloke who claimed expenses on his main residence aka his cottage in Gascony.

But you're happy to be swayed by a Parliament that allows MEPs to claim up to £120,000 without proof of expenditure, spends 27% of its budget on MP expenses but refuses to disclose how the expenses claimed (OUR money) are spent even under legal threats* and an organisation who operate an accounting system that is not a double-entry system - almost unique across the world and thus making proper auditing impossible so their accounts are never signed off as 'fair and true'.

We can play this game all day of accusation and counter-accusation but please do not be under any illusion that any one side has the moral high ground here.

*http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-parliament-sued-not-disclosing-expenses-transparency/

Kalimantan Gull · Apr 12, 2016

sir albion said:
I'm astonished that people who want in actually think the European Union is a good thing and the futures bright...look around Europe and you'll see what the EU has done to once great countries.

what bad things does it do?

Lifelong Supporter · Apr 12, 2016

5ways said:
Yes there are plenty because America also is the world's second largest economy, making up nearly a 1/5th of global GDP and an internal market of 300 million people. This is translated into trade deals which benefit multinational companies. A great place to HQ a business.

The EU is collectively the world's largest economy making up over a 1/5th of global GDP and has an international market of 500 million people. This is translated into trade deals, existing and being negotiated, that benefit multinational companies. A great place to HQ a business.

The UK is 3% of global GDP and has an internal market of 60 million people. Following Brexit we no longer have any trade deals, all of them have to be renegotiated - taking years. Moreover all our business legislation must be written. This is a terrible place to set up an HQ because we have not-so-cleverly decided to decimate our access and leverage within the world's largest economy and largest market.

This puts it rather well. You have not used the word stupidity though.

melias shoes · Apr 12, 2016

Lincoln Imp said:
It isn't if you didn't put a stamp on it.

I did.

Deleted member 22389 · Apr 12, 2016

Nice pension, but please no negative comments about the EU. The EU is a stitch up. This was from 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-remain-loyal-to-EU-to-guarantee-pension.html

brightn'ove · Apr 12, 2016

sir albion said:
I understand that,but surely Britain as a whole is far more bigger than thinking of your finances in the short term?
I'd happily lose my job to safeguard this country from the pillocks in Brussels who will eventually destroy this country in the future if we stay in.
Time that people put the country first rather than their own selfish reasons to stay in.

Do you not think that maybe that is a slight exaggeration? Who is to say the pillocks in charge in this country won't drive the country into the ground? Then who is there to help? Nobody.

Blue3 · Apr 12, 2016

KingstonSeagull said:
I think that the Polls have got it wrong again. Everyone I speak to seems to be voting out...

I think the outs or the flat earth society as they are otherwise known are far more vocal

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 12, 2016

I shall be voting in. None of the out arguments have convinced me to do otherwise.

Herr Tubthumper · Apr 12, 2016

Lifelong Supporter said:
This puts it rather well. You have not used the word stupidity though.

5ways has summed it up well with that post. Economically the UK will sink. Boris and IDS might not give a shit, but I'm not prepared to let this happen.

The Rivet · Apr 12, 2016

brightn'ove said:
Do you not think that maybe that is a slight exaggeration? Who is to say the pillocks in charge in this country won't drive the country into the ground? Then who is there to help? Nobody.

The big difference though is if the pillocks in this country start we can vote them out. You wont be able to do that in the EU will you?

melias shoes · Apr 12, 2016

Hamilton said:
Not the same issue. Distortion.

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It's exactly the same issue. More spin.

heathgate · Apr 12, 2016

brightn'ove said:
Do you not think that maybe that is a slight exaggeration? Who is to say the pillocks in charge in this country won't drive the country into the ground? Then who is there to help? Nobody.

At least we can vote our own pillocks out.... you cannot vote out the unelected EU commission. .....

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