GT49er
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Yeh, should be!
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[Politics] Brexit
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Yeh, should be!
GT49er
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What's all this crap about Empire? It changed to a commonwealth years before the EU started, and we'd set them all (or nearly all) up as independent nation states before we joined the EEC.
Anathema to many, I realise, but we must have been doing something right; almost universally they opted to stay, as independent nations with self-determination, within the commonwealth. As opposed to the EU, which is trying to build an empire of all Europe - without self-determination if it gets its way - plus as far to the east as it can - Turkey next, the Ukraine?
drew
Drew
We had an empire probably upto the start of WW2 although for what was probably early political correctness, the empire name was dropped around 1921. As more countries were granted independence so our status began to decline. We haven't been Great for some time, arguably preceding our joining the EEC. However, don't let reality shatter your romantic dreams.
Not while I might be able to get a gun! Which is highly unlikely...
drew
Drew
Where exactly do they say it will be plus or minus 6%.
Oh dear!
GT49er
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1949 actually, not 19321, but hey, it's a fact, so so what? The games in 1950 were actually still called the Empire Games, but by 1954 they were the Commonwealth Games, and have been ever since.
Love your knee jerk reaction - someone mentions the Commonwealth in a good light, and is immediately accused of dreaming of restoration of Empire. I'm quite comfortable that the Empire belongs to our past..........................
.......................so should the EU.
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drew
Drew
I'll correct it slightly but it was in the Anglo Irish Treaty of 1921 when the name Empire was first formerly replaced with Commonwealth.
By the way, I was not for one minute suggesting that there was a dream of restoring an Empire just that the world has moved on considerably since we were regarded as 'Great'
drew
Drew
Yes, laughable. Let's go back to the much more conservative estimates of decline.
When Michael Gove starts bleating that everyone is being treated like a child it all starts to sound like rather desperate stuff from the leave camp.
He should be going for valid arguments like mismanagement of money; speed of decision making; TTIP negotiations etc. of course, all stuff we could still influence from inside the EU and not something we can influence whilst we are trying to negotiate our withdrawal from the EU.
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The worst case, Remaining and then ending with a Labour government. Hell on earth in my book. We are in this place because of that crappy party in the first place. All we have in this country is an overpriced housing market, and crappy wages, to go with crappy jobs with an increased population. We have been going downhill fast, and nobody in the Remain camp can see it.
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Blimey. Labour are going to get elected if we stay in the EU?
I know that's not what you're saying, but let's not mix our debates together. It's confusing enough as it is.
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Wouldn't need to. He can smell it.
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That is the reality, and people will be conned thinking Labour is the solution. Labour has picked up so many new voters because of immigration in the first place, it's why they are doing so well in London, and really bad in other places. Our voices will be gone.
Far be for me to correct an outer but I'm afraid it's the Tories fault we are in the EU.
EDIT - it was Heath that lied through his back teeth to voters to get us in.