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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,587
Gods country fortnightly
I think we are devoid of inspirational leaders at this time but Gove is an exception I don't like him at all but have to admit he is the most capable of ministers the Tories have

Whilst backing the wrong horse on Brexit he is highly capable, would have him over the completely unsuitable Boris any day
 








Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
30,580
I don't think the swing in the recent polls is down to mortality rates and voting patterns. I think it's far simpler. After 2 and a bit years, we finally had the meeting at chequers and got to see what 'the easiest deal in history' is starting to look like, and that it may not be as simple as they were told.

A significant proportion of the Leave vote have now gone, 'this is shit, I didn't vote for this' and they are now all shouting for a 'no deal' and looking for someone to blame. However, a significant though, I suspect smaller proportion have gone 'we were stitched up, we may as well stay'.(Purely co-incidentally, this may be the same proportion who have looked into what a 'no deal' will mean).

Over the next few months, it will slowly dawn on the 'no dealers', that negotiating our WTO submission through the various trading blocs in the WTO may not be as straightforward as they were told. The EU are only one of the trading blocs in the WTO ! (Indeed it only took 3 days for USA, New Zealand and Brazil to kick off). In approx 90 days we'll know how many negotiations we will have to run in parallel alongside all the infrastructure requirements which I may have mentioned on 1 or 2 occasions :angel:

Then the big question is who will be to blame for the fact that 'No deal' isn't what they voted for either.

Tick-tock, we're on our way, Brexit means Brexit etc etc :lolol:

You make a good point about WTO rules. There has been an assumption that if we crash out with No Deal we simply move onto WTO rules by default, but as The Economist mentioned in a recent article: The Institute for Government, a think-tank in London, notes that all big countries have bilateral agreements on such trade-facilitating measures as customs co-operation, data exchange and standards. Hosuk Lee-Makiyama of ECIPE, a Brussels-based think-tank, says that only seven countries trade with the EU on WTO terms alone—and they are small fry like Cuba and Venezuela.
 


melias shoes

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2010
4,830
That's Good news then, it was 4k each at the inception of scare United and now down to 1.7k. We are in profit. By the time it happens it will probably be zero. Lots more money

Do you notice that they keep coming at with these figures but the prominent word is COULD not will happen. They've got to stop scaring themselves.
 


daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
Do you notice that they keep coming at with these figures but the prominent word is COULD not will happen. They've got to stop scaring themselves.

Like the Brexit plans?

Maybe, perhaps, possibly, what could happen is, I believe what will happen is etc etc Youve got to stop lying to yourselves.
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
You make a good point about WTO rules. There has been an assumption that if we crash out with No Deal we simply move onto WTO rules by default, but as The Economist mentioned in a recent article: The Institute for Government, a think-tank in London, notes that all big countries have bilateral agreements on such trade-facilitating measures as customs co-operation, data exchange and standards. Hosuk Lee-Makiyama of ECIPE, a Brussels-based think-tank, says that only seven countries trade with the EU on WTO terms alone—and they are small fry like Cuba and Venezuela.

Well that's another improvement.Watford Gap said there was only one country.You can't call Venezuela small fry-they have the highest inflation anywhere.A marvellous example of a socialist economy in full swing.
 


WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
25,843
Well that's another improvement.Watford Gap said there was only one country.You can't call Venezuela small fry-they have the highest inflation anywhere.A marvellous example of a socialist economy in full swing.

You really should read things before you start feverishly typing your drooling responses

Pavilionaire said

You make a good point about WTO rules. There has been an assumption that if we crash out with No Deal we simply move onto WTO rules by default, but as The Economist mentioned in a recent article: The Institute for Government, a think-tank in London, notes that all big countries have bilateral agreements on such trade-facilitating measures as customs co-operation, data exchange and standards. Hosuk Lee-Makiyama of ECIPE, a Brussels-based think-tank, says that only seven countries trade with the EU on WTO terms alone—and they are small fry like Cuba and Venezuela.

I said

So apart from the fact that we will be the only country in the world trading only on WTO terms (Mauritania, the other country who were solely on WTO terms has now joined the Economic Community of West African States. As a result, it now has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members)

As you well know, I do try to defend you whenever those Remoaners throw the thick, uneducated and swivel-eyed loon abuse at you, but you're not exactly helping me here are you :lolol:
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
You really should read things before you start feverishly typing your drooling responses

Pavilionaire said



I said



As you well know, I do try to defend you whenever those Remoaners throw the thick, uneducated and swivel-eyed loon abuse at you, but you're not exactly helping me here are you :lolol:

Coo,Watford you caught me out again.I thought you were as dumb as dave,but you are really,really clever,and we all really,really look up to you.:bowdown:
 






Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
At last some good news! Brexit will tackle British obesity crisis:


Britain would run out of food on this date next year if it cannot continue to easily import from the EU and elsewhere after Brexit, the National Farmers’ Union has warned.
Minette Batters, the NFU president, urged the government to put food security at the top of the political agenda after the prospect of a no-deal Brexit was talked up this week.
“The UK farming sector has the potential to be one of the most impacted sectors from a bad Brexit – a frictionless free trade deal with the EU and access to a reliable and competent workforce for farm businesses is critical to the future of the sector,” she said.
Batters’ warning comes a fortnight after the Brexit secretary, Dominic Raab, said Britain would have “adequate food supplies” after Brexit
. Guardian.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
As I said to you before, I'm really not that clever. It's just compared to you I'm a f***ing genius :)

Well perhaps you might explain why EU companies are stopping trade with Iran?I expect you knew of this being such a genius:)

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WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
25,843
You make a good point about WTO rules. There has been an assumption that if we crash out with No Deal we simply move onto WTO rules by default, but as The Economist mentioned in a recent article: The Institute for Government, a think-tank in London, notes that all big countries have bilateral agreements on such trade-facilitating measures as customs co-operation, data exchange and standards. Hosuk Lee-Makiyama of ECIPE, a Brussels-based think-tank, says that only seven countries trade with the EU on WTO terms alone—and they are small fry like Cuba and Venezuela.

As my friend above unknowingly highlighted, we are not stupid enough to want to join those 7 trading with the EU on WTO terms alone. Oh No. We are going to be the first to trade with the Whole World and it's various trading blocs on WTO terms alone.

But don't worry, we've submitted an extremely robust terms of trade to the WTO two weeks ago. It basically said 'you know all those terms we had as part of the EU, one of the largest trading blocs in the world ? Well we would like the same when we are on our own'

Can't see what could go wrong with that :facepalm:
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Did your Internet security advisor tell you not to post a link, in case the Internet Goblins get you :lolol:

Not a bad deflection,but not an explanation.I thought the EU was totally against Trump's sanctions against Iran,and that their companies always backed their decisions.As you are the most ITK person on the board about everything in the world,you think,I asked for some ideas about this.But you turned out to be just as stupid as I thought.Dumber
 






daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
Coo,Watford you caught me out again.I thought you were as dumb as dave,but you are really,really clever,and we all really,really look up to you.:bowdown:

Getting caught out using two different room names yesterday, and have a conversation with yourself, has really hurt you hasnt it. Now everybody is dumb. Because you made yourself look a **** :lol:
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
24,521
West is BEST
Excellent news,but I feel they might have under-estimated the amount.Perhaps they haven't included the tarriffs on the German cars they love so much!:lolol:

I’m sure those facing redundancy and hardship will be cheered by your “sense of humour”. Really rather an unpleasant indivual, aren’t you.
 


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