But kept our own currency so we can control our own monetary policy. Also not part of Schengen so we pay a bit more. I.e. We have lots of controls others don't. Up to us how we use them. So we pay more to get benefits but keep more controls - seems fair enough.
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- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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But kept our own currency so we can control our own monetary policy. Also not part of Schengen so we pay a bit more. I.e. We have lots of controls others don't. Up to us how we use them. So we pay more to get benefits but keep more controls - seems fair enough.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
The EU could have been great. But inequality is built into the system due in part to its origins in trying to secure peace between France and Germany. It has treated Britain grossly unfairly over the years. It has an appalling lack of democratic accountability and fails to engage most citizens in its member countries. Had it addressed these issues and also stopped it's foolish notions of a united states of Europe, then i think we would not be heading for exit and all the related problems people are so worried about.
Or if our government had actually controlled immigration (which we can but didn't) then we would also stay. Problems caused FAR more by our own government and now more power. Brilliant.
studio150
Well-known member
And there's me thinking that Leavers voted to get the country back and that the cost was secondary. I never realised it was a money thing, particularly as we individually and as a country are going to be poorer.
How has UK been treated unfairly? Rebate, opt-outs etc we had a very good deal.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
The deal was very unfavorable originally as unfortunately some of the EU were anti British, an attitude fostered be De Gaulle. Thatcher win some back etc. Here's a recent graph of net contributions. You can see the disparity, particularly in how the EU budget favours France.
Lincoln Imp
Well-known member
- Feb 2, 2009
- 5,964
Exposing corruption is a distraction, i see just sweep it under the carpet and forget about it... because after all that is the correct and just way of running a business.
Blimey, if reporting that EU commissioners have been claiming £8000 a month in travel costs counts as "exposing corruption" then how would you describe announcing that Prince Andrew spent £14,692 on a round trip to see the golf at Muirfield and Prince Edward £46,198 on a flight to Sofia, Bucharest and Ljubljana?
(PS - figures reported last year; I'm sure there have been plenty of equally impressive ones since.)
pastafarian
Well-known member
I don’t understand why you have a problem or worry with this reciprocal arrangement with regard to Indians and Chinese people.
What are your concerns?
Perhaps you and Mr Loughton should step into the 21st century. Landing cards are old hat, digital technology is the way forward, a million passengers a week are now using e-gates at ports, the system is also now in place to receive Advanced passenger information data on 100% of scheduled flights. The airports have welcomed it as it will speed up passenger queues and as the Home Office pointed out with regard to the changes that will come into effect in the autumn “The withdrawal of landing cards will not result in the loss of any data that is used for security checks”.
I welcome your new found conviction for strong borders regarding immigration, I wish more remainers could be like you, but I think your concerns here are misplaced.
pastafarian
Well-known member
Phew only £252m, that’s a relief.
I thought for a minute we were talking about stupid amounts of money.
For that £3, we receive in return, free movement of EU citizens, law making being passed to Brussels and loss of primacy of our courts………what a crap deal, I want my money back.
We cant control EU immigration
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
I have no problem with the reciprocal arrangements with the Irish foreign ministry. I wonder if it'll continue in the future. Appears to be doubt in Dublin at this. The Landing cards issue is a concern to people within The UKBA, Home Office and others far more informed than yourself, but I'm sure you know best as always.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Are you really thick,or just playing?If the EU gave us back 468 million for our 156,of course we'd stay.BUT THEY DON'T!
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
We will be paying hundreds of millions simply for the pleasure of trading with them after Brexit
Who says so?
.One of your economist fortune-tellers?The Guardian?
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
You Remoaners have been harping on about £350 million since last June and you never realised it was a money thing?
pastafarian
Well-known member
I thought perhaps when you said "David Davis has said it'll all probably be okay though, so lets not worry too much." you were being slightly sarcastic about this arrangement. Good to see you are on board though.
I read a while ago the reciprocal arrangement was seen as quite a success by us and Ireland and there was talk of extending the same arrangement to include other countries,I havnt heard about the doubt from Dublin about the continuance of this arrangement, do you have a link? It would seem rather odd stopping it after both countries said it was working well and had been a boost to the economy.
Is the UKBA still running then?
brighton fella
New member
- Mar 20, 2009
- 1,645
This whole idea that the EU supports various British projects from out of the goodness of their own heart is farcical. All projects whether they be in this country or not are funded by the tax payer himself and to believe otherwise is utter tosh. Who the hell funds these massive projects in places like Hungary etc then..the Hungarian people themselves ? no of course not you clown it comes partly out of the purse of the British tax payer. for he is forced to pay a hefty price whenever his country prospers.. and whats even more laughable is the Remoaners and their constant dribble about a falling pound and the state of our economy , bring it on for the less we do well the less we fork out, only another 2 years until we are finally rid of this whole soppy set up.
Finally It weren't so long ago when the EU tried hiding a £500,000 bill for two months travel
but lets all forget about that eh.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
I saw a former Irish Junior Foreign Minister on Sky News expressing doubt how it can work after a hard Brexit a while back.
As for The UKBA, even a friend of mine who works for the UK Border Force at Gatwick still refers to them as UKBA. He intends to leave at the end of the year as many others are considering doing due to morale being so low and the comedy value of what they're being expected to do post 2019 not quite being so funny if you have to work for them. Always interesting to speak to him about things on the front-line though. He does know what he's talking about and knows how unprepared they are, like other agencies and departments are. When I asked him his view on 'Settled Status' he just laughed for example.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
This whole idea that the EU supports various British projects from out of the goodness of their own heart is farcical. All projects whether they be in this country or not are funded by the tax payer himself and to believe otherwise is utter tosh. Who the hell funds these massive projects in places like Hungary etc then..the Hungarian people themselves ? no of course not you clown it comes partly out of the purse of the British tax payer. for he is forced to pay a hefty price whenever his country prospers.. and whats even more laughable is the Remoaners and their constant dribble about a falling pound and the state of our economy , bring it on for the less we do well the less we fork out, only another 2 years until we are finally rid of this whole soppy set up.
Finally It weren't so long ago when the EU tried hiding a £500,000 bill for two months travel
There is lots wrong with the EU, not anything that can't be fixed though. Your thinking of low contributions being better than high contributions due to the fact we are all a bit poorer is proper Brexit logic though, well done.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
For all the possible chaos and likely failures in meeting immigration targets in the future there is a solution. Uk electorate voting out the people who failed and replacing them with people who committ to getting it right. I know many remainers have concerns about the rate of immigration but their guaranteed alternative was continuing with mass immigration year after year with little control on 50% of it. Utter madness.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
In which case they'll have to vote UKIP then. I wont be.
brighton fella
New member
- Mar 20, 2009
- 1,645
I agree with you 100% on that,, the figures are disgusting but we were talking about the EU and how the quicker we rid ourselves free from the place the better all round it will be for everyone.