[Politics] Brexit

studio150 · Jan 18, 2017

Soulman said:
Wow "a man was interviewed", i wonder what the response would have been if two men were interviewed, i suppose then it would have been a forgone conclusion that all of the Brexit voters felt the same.

You may think that but I dont.

studio150 · Jan 18, 2017

Soulman said:
please note I might not answer every question that you demand an answer to.

Being too modest 'might' should be replaced with 'will'

midnight_rendezvous · Jan 18, 2017

Pretty pink fairy said:
You're no different to our other euro numpty D.I.P flapping his gums in the Czech republic , give it a rest or come back to blighty and join the revolution
regards
DR

What revolution is this? The revolution to become a deregulated tax haven?

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 18, 2017

Soulman said:
Your post, ah yes, in which you have a pop at the Tories for looking after the rich etc. Firstly that is rich coming from you as you do come across as a champagne socialist when your mask slips. Secondly the workers in the construction industry ARE working class, but around 90% of them have felt let down by Labour (myself included) have been financially better off under the Tories, and feel no confidence to ever vote for them again. I have stated many times, having worked on sites all my working days (as opposed to working in a different job and living in a different country) that my rate did not go up (in fact it fell between 2005 and 2009) until the last few years, you will note who was in government in both instances.
I can not vote Tory, but I will not vote Labour, if I lived in your country then I might support the socialists, who knows, not where I live.
I hope this answers your question, please note I might not answer every question that you demand an answer to.

Er, that wasn't my question.

beorhthelm · Jan 18, 2017

Baldseagull said:
What if the commons agree it, and one of the EU 27 doesn't?

its funny, remainers spent so much energy talking about how EU is a single trade block in negotiations, now want to claim theres going to be 27 countries to negotiate with. which is it? there will be a negotiation with the EU's designated man, the EU members have to ratify it, which they will be told to do, as happens with EU.

portslade seagull · Jan 18, 2017

nicko31 said:
He regarded in most countries as a bit of a joke. The bloke is a total liability, love or hate Europe we need to build bridges to get the best deal.

Must admit he seems to be like a bull in a china shop. Needs to stop his buffoonary

studio150 · Jan 18, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
Er, that wasn't my question.

But you should be rejoicing he has actually answered a question - the wrong one but miracles dont happen very often

pastafarian · Jan 18, 2017

Baldseagull said:
What if the commons agree it, and one of the EU 27 doesn't?

respectfully,
i think you are missing the point.
The commons will vote on the "agreed" deal,that is to say when the other side have accepted the terms
after following their own process, that is after The Council agree by qualified majority and get the consent from the European Parliament.

it would be a bit silly having our commons vote on the deal before the other side had agreed its terms

Baldseagull · Jan 18, 2017

larus said:
Anyone seen the disastrous job figures today, now that we're suffering the full effects of the Post Brexit Vote Armageddon.

The poor kids today - they just won't know what unemployment is. I guess we could send them on trips to those wonderful EU "all in it together" countries of Spain, Greece, Italy or Portugal to appreciate the benefits of the EU/Euro.

UK unemployment fell by 52,000 to 1.6 million in three months to November, official figures showed.
The jobless rate was steady at an 11-year low of 4.8%, in line with forecasts, the Office for National Statistics said.
The employment rate was steady at a record 74.5%, while wage growth picked up pace.
Average earnings increased by 2.8% in the year to November, 0.2% up on the previous month.
However, the number of people in work slipped by 9,000 to just over 31.8 million, the ONS said.
It was the second consecutive report to show a decline in the number of people in work - the first back-to-back fall since mid-2015.
The claimant count fell by 10,100 in December to 797,800.

* Awaits the usual zero-hour, low wages, etc. vitriol from the usual suspects*.

I'm not saying everything is perfect within the wealth distribution, but try not to confuse wealth inequality (which has been and is still getting worse) with the impact on the economy of Brexit.

Also, for those of a slightly slower mentality, please can you note the average wage rise of 2.8% and compare this with the inflation rate of 1.6%. Real wages are rising, so more good news.

Funny, because I thought all these immigrants were keeping wages down?

Buzzer · Jan 18, 2017

studio150 said:
But you should be rejoicing he has actually answered a question - the wrong one but miracles dont happen very often

What is it with you two and your online bullying of Soulman? Half your posts seem to be pops at him. It's quite pathetic.

Baldseagull · Jan 18, 2017

larus said:
As I said in my original post, I'm not saying things are fair, but I get pissed off when the Remainers try to link everything to Brexit, after all, this is a Brexit thread and we were warned of "The End Of Days" if we dared to vote leave. Well, we did and the economic news has been very positive since then.

Social injustice is not the fault of Brexit - or are we saying that it is now?

No, but it is not the fault of the EU either, it has been a harsh austerity program, which is now forecast to miss the targetted surplus date, because of Brexit. There was an announcement that the austerity targets had been dropped, but they have not dropped the austerity cuts, and reinstated Public sector jobs, or inflation matching pay rises.
Essentially, have had an "emergency budget", borrowing will be more than was mentioned in the real budget, we have a brand new government department for Brexit which was not budgeted for and another £70 million in quantative easing.

Soulman · Jan 18, 2017

studio150 said:
Being too modest 'might' should be replaced with 'will'

You could send a glass eye to sleep, as being witty is not your strong point, not sure what is apart from jumping on the band wagon. How is the whinging against leaving the EU going. May is doing fine eh.

Soulman · Jan 18, 2017

Buzzer said:
What is it with you two and your online bullying of Soulman? Half your posts seem to be pops at him. It's quite pathetic.

I think you will find it is because they have backed the losers in the last 3 elections/referendums.....and need to take it out on someone, that someone being me.
Hey ho.

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 18, 2017

studio150 said:
But you should be rejoicing he has actually answered a question - the wrong one but miracles dont happen very often

Fair point. I should look at the positive. :thumbsup:

portslade seagull · Jan 18, 2017

Baldseagull said:
Funny, because I thought all these immigrants were keeping wages down?

There was some guy on the BBC think he owned some sort of carrot picking/packaging firm. He was complaining believe it or not about migrants returning home and the fact that he now had to pay higher wages to entice the locals to fill the vacancies. Proves a point I suppose about wages being surpressed by unskilled migrants

pastafarian · Jan 18, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
You have previously told me that everyone you know who voted Leave did so after close consideration of the specific issues associated with the EU and our membership of it and, by implication, that no one voted the way they did because they were fed up with their lot and the way the country was being run. If this is true you clearly live in a different universe to the rest of us, some sort of place where it is regarded as free and democratic for a government to tell people whereabouts in their own country they are and are not allowed to work, and there really isn't much point carrying a conversation onwards. .

No,thats just you yet again putting words in my mouth to suit your own thinking.
I have repeatedly said for whatever the different reasons people chose to vote they knew the consequences of the vote if Leave won.
Namely taking back control of our borders,removing ourselves from The ECJ, returning law making powers to westminster and no longer being members of the single market.
Completely different to what you are saying.
The consequences were well known and discussed by both sides. If some of you remainers still want to claim you didnt know it meant that, then that is your failing for not better educating yourself in the run up to the vote.

Lincoln Imp said:
In response to your post, yes, I do feel it is democratic to ask people if, in the light of facts that emerge, they would like to look at the issue again before the button is pressed.

But we have already decided, it wasnt a practice run.
There is no need to do it all over again, perhaps if you are runner up again you will want to make it best of 5

Anyway ive rewritten the question for you to go on the ballot paper as you want to do it all over again.

No No No,That wasnt the right answer. Do you really really really want The United Kingdom to remain a member of The European Union or leave The European Union. We will keep coming back again until you say remain.

studio150 · Jan 18, 2017

Soulman said:
I think you will find it is because they have backed the losers in the last 3 elections/referendums.....and need to take it out on someone, that someone being me.
Hey ho.

Or it could be that you post inaccurate details, refuse to accept that it is wrong, fail to answer questions, read something into a post that isn't actually there..................

Buzzer · Jan 18, 2017

studio150 said:
Or it could be that you post inaccurate details, refuse to accept that it is wrong, fail to answer questions, read something into a post that isn't actually there..................

So basically you admit to online bullying and these are your reasons.

Soulman · Jan 18, 2017

studio150 said:
Or it could be that you post inaccurate details, refuse to accept that it is wrong, fail to answer questions, read something into a post that isn't actually there..................

Really.
I post details (as you have stated before i copy and paste) that i agree with and often turn out to be correct (see polls on last 3 big results) and YOU think the details are wrong, and again YOU think i read something in a post that is not there, when a little while back you were proved wrong by quite a few posters.
Hope i have answered/ not "failed to answer questions".
There ya go.

Baldseagull · Jan 18, 2017

beorhthelm said:
its funny, remainers spent so much energy talking about how EU is a single trade block in negotiations, now want to claim theres going to be 27 countries to negotiate with. which is it? there will be a negotiation with the EU's designated man, the EU members have to ratify it, which they will be told to do, as happens with EU.

For trade yes, one block, with 27 nations able to voice an opinion, and there are concerns for every nation in those negotiations, which is one reason they take a while. But we are also going to be discussing the right to remain for Uk citizens living in the EU and vice versa, the terms on future workers coming and going, and passporting or something similar for financial services. There is a bit more to this one.

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