Stop ****ing bleating. This is your decision, your doing and your problem to resolve. Have the balls to do the things you said you'd do upon leaving.
Or just admit you've boxed yourself into a really woeful and stupid position.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Stop ****ing bleating. This is your decision, your doing and your problem to resolve. Have the balls to do the things you said you'd do upon leaving.
Or just admit you've boxed yourself into a really woeful and stupid position.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
So now you would like no deal, even though you don't know what that means ?
You're consistent, I'll give you that sunshine, I'll give you that
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portslade seagull
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Hopefully most are aware of the issues this entails but they can also see past it rather than seemingly being stuck in a blanket fog like most remainers
portslade seagull
Well-known member
Not hoist the white flag when things get a little rough like most on here want. A deal is there if both yes both sides want it bad enough. Once the EU get over grabbing hands mode which is the real crux of the stalemate things could move along
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
A well reasoned mature response HT.
There are always numerous crisis points in negotiations, they come and go. I am still of the opinion a deal will be reached as consequences for both sides of a no deal option would be unnecessarily damaging. Probably only finalised at the last moment obviously. We also prepare for every eventuality.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
Another 'no dealer ' with no idea what that means
I think you have missed the point. There are people on both sides of this argument who frankly have come across as thick through some ridiculous comments and then there are those who are just callous.A well reasoned mature response HT.
There are always numerous crisis points in negotiations, they come and go. I am still of the opinion a deal will be reached as consequences for both sides of a no deal option would be unnecessarily damaging. Probably only finalised at the last moment obviously. We also prepare for every eventuality.
There are 3.2 million people in this country. People who came here for legitimate reasons, legally chose to build a life in this country. Now many have to live with an uncertain futures as our government treats them as political pawns.
Whining about money and playing the victim about intransigence, completely misses the point that these human beings deserve some assurances.
Unless you believe that foreigners are somehow worth less than English men. This is not a reasonable and open negotiating stance.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,462
But I thought the Germans would roll over because we are their biggest car market
cheshunt seagull
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- Jul 5, 2003
- 2,498
It's sad that Brexit has led to otherwise decent people justify cruel and cynical policies and strategies that they would have rightly condemned less than 2 years ago.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
I didn't notice a point just a particularly thick, ridiculous comment.
At least 1.2 Million Brits live in other EU countries it is the UK governments primary responsibility to safeguard their future. Why aren't you concerned that the EU is treating them as political pawns?
Stating facts isn't whining. Blaming everything on the UK side is though.
Both should be treated equally which means having their rights and futures secured at the same time asap.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
But I thought the Germans would roll over because we are their biggest car market
Considering you think the BAE job losses are down to Brexit that doesn't surprise me.
Hampster Gull
New member
- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,462
Considering you think the BAE job losses are down to Brexit that doesn't surprise me.
#promotespreadsheetphil
Baldseagull
Well-known member
No, he said it could be as much as 100 billion, not that it was. It was an estimate, as was 50 and 60 billion that were also mentioned. The negotiations are supposed to agree the method of calculating the sum. They are not arguing over a figure, they are arguing about what calculations should be done, to reach the figure.
Pedantry UK citizens are not guaranteed the right to move to another EU country post Brexit. A position of our own making.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,312
the UK have offered all EU citizens the right to remain and effectively same rights as UK citizens rights in law, if they have been here 5 years. thats not uncertain, and i dont know who is treating them as a politcal pawn. the EU is apparently want to allow family to join them later, no reason why this is so important.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
So you don't think both sets of citizens should be treated equally having their rights and futures secured at the same time asap. Making unilateral concessions to an obviously formidable negotiating opponent may give some people a warm fuzzy feeling but responsible Governments have to act in the national interest.
The bleating is coming from the EU regards the 'divorce bill'. "That nasty UK won't say what they think they owe us" - normally those 'owed' money produce the bill, a detailed one. And I'm not talking about the 100Bn Euro figure the drunkard, corrupt Juncker plucked out of the air. I mean something accountants could balance but of course having never passed an audit for years the EU wouldn't know what that is. Time to walk away with no deal IMHO if the EU can't produce the bill by the end of the year.
Offered ? Should have been agreed up front.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,312
thats down to EU, they seem to insist on nothing agreed out of their procedure.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,864
So I'll add you to the majority of our brexiteers on here who have just realised that our negotiating position is completely shit and now thinks that 'no deal' is the way ahead ?
I do wish you had given this a bit more thought 2 years ago
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