[Politics] Brexit

DavidinSouthampton · Mar 28, 2017

Two Professors said:
That is typical Westminster.Putting a clown that even Corbyn sacked in charge of a Brexit comittee,then he tries to railroad something through without consultation.

I think plenty of people would disagree with your description of Hilary Benn as "a clown that even Corbyn sacked!"

They might even think he would be a better leader than Corbyn...... now there's controversial.

Soulman · Mar 28, 2017

Yoda said:
Sorry, genuine question, and sorry if you've already stated, but why do you want to leave the Single Market with the advantages we get from tax free trade and our largest customer with the potential that a trade tax could be put in place making our exports more expensive and less appealing and out imports also more expensive (the fall in Sterling is doing a great job at that already) causing our own inflation to rise even more?

That's ok, I have stated it before, but seeing as you missed it.
"making our own rules on business deals, ie tariffs which currently as part of the EU customs union stops the UK being able to do its own trade deals with other countries".
Obviously at the moment our hands are tied which contributes to the points made in your post.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 28, 2017

beorhthelm said:
you really think its normal to expect a committee to vote on and agree to a report they haven't seen? i wonder if the "walk out" is just dramatic license for adjournment.

No. But I don't expect MPs to just walk out. It's taking the piss out of the tax payer......but then again they are arrogant Tories so should I expect anything different?

CHAPPERS · Mar 28, 2017

beorhthelm said:
so what that article is saying is, should a situation occur that discriminates rights before and after a date, they will veto that deal leaving all EU citizen with no rights? does this sound to you like real or imaginary, sabre rattling policy?

What the article is saying is that there's a fair amount of disagreement on major issues but we're to forge ahead regardless.

Titanic · Mar 28, 2017

DavidinSouthampton said:
.. They might even think he would be a better leader than Corbyn...... now there's controversial.

The list of people who would be a better leader than Corbyn is fairly lengthy and mostly uncontroversial.

Yoda · Mar 28, 2017

Green Cross Code Man said:
I wanted out but Brexit has turned half our country rabid whichever side they are on.

chip · Mar 28, 2017

Yoda said:
Sorry, genuine question, and sorry if you've already stated, but why do you want to leave the Single Market with the advantages we get from tax free trade and our largest customer with the potential that a trade tax could be put in place making our exports more expensive and less appealing and out imports also more expensive (the fall in Sterling is doing a great job at that already) causing our own inflation to rise even more?

I had a conversation like this recently with a colleague of mine and his response was something like this public policy bolg he does here: http://www.southampton.ac.uk/publicpolicy/what-we-do/blogs/viewsoneurope/voe40-werner.page

"The conclusion is unambiguous: it makes no difference to economic growth. Economic growth is almost entirely determined by factors and policies that are decided at home (namely the amount of bank credit created for productive purposes - sadly very small in the UK in recent decades, thus much greater economic growth is possible as soon as steps are taken to boost it). Remember that a smaller economy like Norway fared extremely well after its people rejected EU membership in a referendum in 1995 - against the dire warnings and threats from its cross-party elites and the united chorus of the heads of international organisations. Besides, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China never needed EU membership to move from developing country status to top industrialised nations within decades."

Now I don't know the author very well but he doesn't strike me as a narrow minded, ill-educated racist. Of course, other views are available.

DavidinSouthampton · Mar 28, 2017

Soulman said:
So a question for the Remainers.
Why should the Leave voters take any notice of your "predictions", when we had months of you harping on about this "expert" said this and that, only to find out that the end of the UK was not nigh.
The "experts" changed their tune, so you now target more doom.
Why should we take any notice of you posters that were so gullible pre and post referendum.

One man's gullible is another man's realist.....

beorhthelm · Mar 28, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
No. But I don't expect MPs to just walk out. It's taking the piss out of the tax payer......but then again they are arrogant Tories so should I expect anything different?

methinks you are allowing prejudice to blind rational thought. you're simply accepting on face value the negative report, it doesn't even say who left, or what reasons, or if its unusual.

CHAPPERS said:
What the article is saying is that there's a fair amount of disagreement on major issues but we're to forge ahead regardless.

an understatment, however similar to the leave campaigns statement of "vote leave means leaving", the EU has point blank refuse any discussion prior to the formal negotiation process. we can look forward to alot of this, there is more disagreement across EU than they or the Remain friendly media would like to project. example, one story doing the rounds is that Ireland might decide to leave too, as their economy is so entwined with the UK. far fetched, but the fact that its even being credibly suggested. its going to be a long couple of years (though too short really to do what needs to be done).

Two Professors · Mar 28, 2017

CHAPPERS said:
Gianni Pittella is a non entity?

WHOOOOOO? (Didn't he play for Lazio?)

Two Professors · Mar 28, 2017

DavidinSouthampton said:
I think plenty of people would disagree with your description of Hilary Benn as "a clown that even Corbyn sacked!"

They might even think he would be a better leader than Corbyn...... now there's controversial.

No,No,No.Corbyn is superb,Benn isn't fit to tie Jeremy's laces.Jezza should be first in his dynasty,following the glorious principles of Kim.

lawros left foot · Mar 28, 2017

Soulman said:
Fair enough, obviously the tune changed when the Remainers realised that the prophecies stated would happen straight away, were not going to happen.
So we have a new timetable now.
So why should we believe this new target.

If you go back, on this thread to when the campaign was at it's height, some of us remoaners(great word) were saying that the remain efforts were pathetic, and that nobody could know the full effect of leaving for a good while after exit, so, I'm not being wise after the event..
Already, the pound has lost value against major currencies, inflation is up,and large firms are exploring their options, with a view to leaving the U.K. Now, I don't know if this is all the Brexit effect, but, we have chosen by a majority to leave one of the largest, and richest trading blocks on the planet, with no new deals as yet sorted out,and a Government that doesn't inspire confidence , you can't blame some of us for being a tad pessimistic

studio150 · Mar 28, 2017

Soulman said:
That's ok, I have stated it before, but seeing as you missed it.
"making our own rules on business deals, ie tariffs which currently as part of the EU customs union stops the UK being able to do its own trade deals with other countries".
Obviously at the moment our hands are tied which contributes to the points made in your post.

And when we leave the EU on WTO tariffs, combined with the length of time to secure other trade deals around the world, Woops you've ignored the downside again, but nothing new there.

Spot on again, eh :lol:

Soulman · Mar 28, 2017

lawros left foot said:
If you go back, on this thread to when the campaign was at it's height, some of us remoaners(great word) were saying that the remain efforts were pathetic, and that nobody could know the full effect of leaving for a good while after exit, so, I'm not being wise after the event..
Already, the pound has lost value against major currencies, inflation is up,and large firms are exploring their options, with a view to leaving the U.K. Now, I don't know if this is all the Brexit effect, but, we have chosen by a majority to leave one of the largest, and richest trading blocks on the planet, with no new deals as yet sorted out,and a Government that doesn't inspire confidence , you can't blame some of us for being a tad pessimistic

Fair enough. Different opinions, we shall see.

Soulman · Mar 28, 2017

chip said:
I had a conversation like this recently with a colleague of mine and his response was something like this public policy bolg he does here: http://www.southampton.ac.uk/publicpolicy/what-we-do/blogs/viewsoneurope/voe40-werner.page

"The conclusion is unambiguous: it makes no difference to economic growth. Economic growth is almost entirely determined by factors and policies that are decided at home (namely the amount of bank credit created for productive purposes - sadly very small in the UK in recent decades, thus much greater economic growth is possible as soon as steps are taken to boost it). Remember that a smaller economy like Norway fared extremely well after its people rejected EU membership in a referendum in 1995 - against the dire warnings and threats from its cross-party elites and the united chorus of the heads of international organisations. Besides, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China never needed EU membership to move from developing country status to top industrialised nations within decades."

Now I don't know the author very well but he doesn't strike me as a narrow minded, ill-educated racist. Of course, other views are available.

Spot on

studio150 · Mar 28, 2017

Soulman said:
Spot on

So what does this mean, you agree entirely or you only agree with some of it, or its all rubbish>

Pevenseagull · Mar 28, 2017

Kinky Gerbils said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715

This is quite amusing.

Most importantly, how sexy were the legs that the MPs walked out on?

studio150 · Mar 28, 2017

Will leaving the EU see the death of the Cornish pasty.

They are currently protected by EU legislation which means they can't be produced elsewhere. Presumably this will fall away leaving Cornish pasties to be produced anywhere, or will we introduce high tariffs on imports of foreign made Cornish pasties, leading to a food war with the EU as tariffs are placed on a tit for tat basis on (currently) protected foods.

Two Professors · Mar 28, 2017

Wise words from London Mayor Sadiq Khan.At least one Remain backer is wise enough to recognise the inevitable!

Two Professors · Mar 28, 2017

studio150 said:
Will leaving the EU see the death of the Cornish pasty.

They are currently protected by EU legislation which means they can't be produced elsewhere. Presumably this will fall away leaving Cornish pasties to be produced anywhere, or will we introduce high tariffs on imports of foreign made Cornish pasties, leading to a food war with the EU as tariffs are placed on a tit for tat basis on (currently) protected foods.

Why would someone go to the trouble of exporting cornish-type pasties to this country?

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