I disagree it's like Groundhog Day though...... 4 different government ministers state 4 different views of a single Brexit item. That's not living the same day over and over.
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I disagree it's like Groundhog Day though...... 4 different government ministers state 4 different views of a single Brexit item. That's not living the same day over and over.
In some respects it is, regarding Brexiteers posts. It goes a little something like this:
Remain poster posts new information, usually facts about the economy or TM's latest embarrassment.
Brexit poster gets vexed and says we are ruining Brexit by being doom mongerers.
Pasta wakes up the next day and tells remainers they are full of shit and liars. He may or may not quote a post from as far back as a year. He'll then mention the NHS millions, call someone a liar again and flounce.
One of the other four leavers will post irrelevant/unsubstantiated/misunderstood quotes and figures.
PPF tells everyone to get over it.
nicko31
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Either making it up as they go along or just playing politics (we tried but failed)
That horse bolted with the A8/12 countries. We chose not to implement controls when other countries did to the new entrants. We could have done the same to turkey if they were going to join (they won't that was another lie).
The UK has the right to restrict FoM through:
Suspension of the FoM for up to 7 years from when a new member country joins by:
Preventing/prohibiting movement;
UK can insist upon work permits for each migrant; and
Benefit/Welfare “tourism” is illegal
We chose not to use any of these controls. We could have done but didn't. But you knew that right?
Further explanation.
UK chose not to control the 2004 inflow of migrants
Certainly it is true that one of the sharpest rises in net migration came in 2004, when the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia joined. However it is also fact that the UK was one of only 3 of the original EU members to choose not to apply transitional restrictions on these eight countries and as such the UK invited this surge. They could have avoided it if they wished. Restrictions can apply for up to 7 years after a new member joins the EU and there are provisions to restrict movement if there should be any localised “surges”.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Hold on, where have I said that 'most people are bigots'?
portslade seagull
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I'm sure if you look through your previous posts you will find something unless you have now edited them of course
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Yes, as I thought.
Even leave alliance are worried now. They won so you can't even say "you lost, get over it"
https://twitter.com/leavehq/status/899677019725869059
https://twitter.com/leavehq/status/899677019725869059
nicko31
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Well I thought I'd get this one in before some Brexiteer starts taking credit
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-budget-idUKKCN1B20RP
First monthly surplus since 2002.
Markets don't seem interested though with sterling Labouring at a 7 year lows against the Euro
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-budget-idUKKCN1B20RP
First monthly surplus since 2002.
Markets don't seem interested though with sterling Labouring at a 7 year lows against the Euro
portslade seagull
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Must admit all this tit for tat I'm better than you rubbish is somewhat boring. The real evidence will take 5yrs not the short terms being spouted on here.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
You said it over and over again.I'm sure if you look back through your unedited posts you will find it easily,if you remember to look through Lincoln Imp's stuff.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
As most of it has come from a large increase in self-employed contributions,it rather gives the lie to those dribbling idiots (c.LIMP) who said the new start-ups scheme was Tory lies.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Don't think it's very nice you calling a work-mate a geek.You Remain lot think you can get away with it,but it's probably a hate crime
What were the "one off factors" which helped this?
nicko31
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Its down to self assessment tax returns
It's impossible to debate with you as you seem determined to put your head in the sand.
We are going to leave the EU, so let's leave with our eyes open to the realities of the world in which we'll play a part. Whether I was a retainer or not is immaterial. I'm a realist. We all need to be realists and drop the dreams that we might once have had - on both sides.
In the meantime, this may help you...
https://subscription.economist.com/...MI-qyCn93q1QIVSrftCh30Ngr8EAAYASAAEgLZZvD_BwE
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Or not...
The Economist has a research and analysis division which claims to be a world leader in global business intelligence – the grandly named Economist Intelligence Unit or the “EIU”. As well as offering subscribers research updates it also does consultancy for corporations who want to know what is going on in the world. The EIU says “our knowledge of economics, politics and socio-demographics is second to none. If you need to see into the future, we can help.” Using “bespoke modelling and scenario analysis” the EIU “can provide country, industry or market scenarios based on expert judgement, modelling” so, “if you need to understand how a country or industry will respond to an event… we can model that too.” Corporations pay good money for the research and expect it to be reality-based rather than just journalists’ wishful thinking…
Guido has got hold of the EIU report for Britain dated June 28, 2016, five days after the referendum result. On politics it forecast:
- Our baseline forecast is that Boris Johnson—the former mayor of London and one of the leaders of the “leave” campaign—will succeed David Cameron as the Conservative Party leader and prime minister… Theresa May won.
- This process will commence with the triggering of Article 50 of the EU treaties to begin the exit process; we expect this to happen by the end of 2016. It was triggered in March 2017.
- The Labour Party is mired in an acrimonious leadership crisis. We expect that the party’s hard-left leader, Jeremy Corbyn, will be ousted, and/or that there will be a formal split. Jezza’s not going anywhere. Labour isn’t splitting.
- They also predict a second referendum will lead to a “jump in support for UKIP.” That remains to be seen.
On the economy EIU forecast:
- They expected a contraction of 1% in 2017 (compared with 1.8% growth previously) as a slump in domestic demand pulls the economy into recession. UK GDP is on course to grow 1.9% in 2017. No contraction. No recession.
- They forecast the number of those in work to fall by hundreds of thousands. More people are in work than ever…
- They gloomily forecast a rapid deterioration in the fiscal position, falling tax revenues, increasing unemployment. None of which happened…
- They predicted the US Federal Reserve would have to hold interest rates. The Fed raised rates.
- The EIU predicted anxiety-driven declines in world stock markets, “When an event promises to strip 6% of GDP from the fifth-biggest economy in the world, it is harder for the rest of the global economy to grow as quickly.” Brexit “will ensure that the global economy continues to underperform its potential for at least another two years”. World stock markets have rallied strongly post-Brexit.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/23/the-economist-lack-of-intelligence-unit/
Perhaps http://www.astrologyweekly.com/ would be a better bet?