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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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melias shoes

melias shoes

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Oct 14, 2010
4,830
Lincoln Imp said:
Well I certainly hope we'll see but I still predict the Conservative Party will manage to fudge the UK's departure through to conclusion via a two year transition deal and a set of secretive industry-by-industry pay-offs. By the end of this Parliament the country's reputation, infrastructure and economy will have taken such a battering that exhausted voters will nod the whole thing through in a 2021 general election on the basis that if we've come this far we may as well see it through. On the other hand though, the Albion might by then be flourishing in the Premier League and a major renaissance in centre ground politics might have produced a Brexitexit. None of us knows.
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Let's hope the Albion part is right.
 




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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
4,744
JC Footy Genius said:
Ah Macron .. the saviour of France and the EU. Already four ministerial resignations plus the head of the armed forces quitting. Makes our government seem relatively stable.
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Yep, a Mayesque poll slump in popularity, and that before his austerity policies get into gear.......

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170723/popularity-tumbles-for-frances-macron-poll

Maybe he won't sack the 150,000 civil servants he stated in his election campaign.

I will give the French electorate 60 days to realise they have effectively voted in Thatcher, little wonder so many of the Tories on here see him as the EU's perfect poster boy.
 


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Lincoln Imp

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Feb 2, 2009
5,964
cunning fergus said:
.... little wonder so many of the Tories on here see him as the EU's perfect poster boy.
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I guess you would know all about Tories, given that the great majority of those on here who share your views on this subject appear to dislike anyone to the left of, say, John Redwood, frothing with fury at anyone who questions the glorious future predicted by Farage and Fox and all the other jolly fellows let loose by the events of last summer.
 


nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,571
Gods country fortnightly
cunning fergus said:
Yep, a Mayesque poll slump in popularity, and that before his austerity policies get into gear.......

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170723/popularity-tumbles-for-frances-macron-poll

Maybe he won't sack the 150,000 civil servants he stated in his election campaign.

I will give the French electorate 60 days to realise they have effectively voted in Thatcher, little wonder so many of the Tories on here see him as the EU's perfect poster boy.
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He's going to be good for France, meanwhile Britain and the US are paying the price for populism and are all at sea.
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,944
Crawley
cunning fergus said:
Yep, a Mayesque poll slump in popularity, and that before his austerity policies get into gear.......

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170723/popularity-tumbles-for-frances-macron-poll

Maybe he won't sack the 150,000 civil servants he stated in his election campaign.

I will give the French electorate 60 days to realise they have effectively voted in Thatcher, little wonder so many of the Tories on here see him as the EU's perfect poster boy.
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There is some similarity with Thatcher, but only in that he wants to make employment less onerous on the employer to encourage employers to hire more permanent staff.
My belief is that he is just what France needs.
 






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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
4,744
Lincoln Imp said:
I guess you would know all about Tories, given that the great majority of those on here who share your views on this subject appear to dislike anyone to the left of, say, John Redwood, frothing with fury at anyone who questions the glorious future predicted by Farage and Fox and all the other jolly fellows let loose by the events of last summer.
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I know that historically it was the Labour Party that was resistant to membership of the EEC as they were concerned about the ability to maintain socialist policies and protect British workers interests once we joined. Having seen what has happened since we joined, their suspicions were well founded. In short, opposition to the EU is as much a left wing political position as it is for the right.

I am old enough to remember the old Labour Party before it became infested with Toryism.

I suspect you are either to young or ignorant to understand this fact..,.......here's a couple for you:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/e...-mps-john-mann-and-dennis-skinner-back-brexit
 


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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
4,744
nicko31 said:
He's going to be good for France, meanwhile Britain and the US are paying the price for populism and are all at sea.
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He has stated he will rule France like a Jupiterian God, invoke presidential decrees to implement law, not be subject to interviews as his thoughts are "too complex", smash the unions, reduce 150,000 civil servant positions and slash Govt spending (ergo resignation by the Chief of Staff).

Sounds more like Trump than Trump doesn't it?
 




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cunning fergus

Well-known member
Jan 18, 2009
4,744
Baldseagull said:
There is some similarity with Thatcher, but only in that he wants to make employment less onerous on the employer to encourage employers to hire more permanent staff.
My belief is that he is just what France needs.
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Of course he is, you support the reduction of hard fought French workers rights?

Economically speaking he is far right, a Gaullist John Redwood, who will privatise and slash investment to the public sector .

What else would you expect from an ex Rothschild banker?
 


dazzer6666

dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
52,385
Burgess Hill
The Rivet said:
France, lovely but with attitude. Brave to a degree but useless collectively in politics, tactics or militarily. General governance together with workers powers creates a basket case. Who thinks that is anyway a role model or a nation (sorry, state) to follow?
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But all the remainers are gloating about major UK institutions relocating people to Paris ? Are they perchance deluded ?
 
















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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
4,744
dazzer6666 said:
But all the remainers are gloating about major UK institutions relocating people to Paris ? Are they perchance deluded ?
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Whatever, they will be sucking themselves off with glee about more jobs for their Tory chums in banking and finance being created in the city since the election.

http://www.cityam.com/268762/confidence-city-high-job-volumes-rise-nearly-fifth-after

Shame, after all the chaos they caused in 2008 i thought we were glad to see the back of the capitalist cockroaches.

You live and learn.
 


dazzer6666

dazzer6666

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Mar 27, 2013
52,385
Burgess Hill
cunning fergus said:
Whatever, they will be sucking themselves off with glee about more jobs for their Tory chums in banking and finance being created in the city since the election.

http://www.cityam.com/268762/confidence-city-high-job-volumes-rise-nearly-fifth-after

Shame, after all the chaos they caused in 2008 i thought we were glad to see the back of the capitalist cockroaches.

You live and learn.
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Yep. Glad I am very much nearer the end of my time in the industry than the beginning
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,944
Crawley
cunning fergus said:
Of course he is, you support the reduction of hard fought French workers rights?

Economically speaking he is far right, a Gaullist John Redwood, who will privatise and slash investment to the public sector .

What else would you expect from an ex Rothschild banker?
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When those rights cause employers to only offer temporary contracts to staff, thereby avoiding those rights, it does seem preferable to have reduced rights but with more people covered by them.
You are a black and white type of guy, most of us are capable of pragmatism and compromise.
 








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