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    Quote Originally Posted by Notters View Post
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    OK, to respond to your points, what, in particular do you not like being told to do by Brussels?

    And what effect do you think leaving the EU will have on our borders (answer: none)
    We can control migration from the EU once we leave.

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    This vote is currently reflecting an IN majority, I wonder what will happen when the body of employed posters get home and perhaps browse NSC for the latest thread of interest. Will it swing away from IN?... or maybe stay on the current reflection of opinion.?

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    I was IN, then I went firmly OUT, but then after reading a very unbiased and incredibly interesting Economist article - if can find a link I'll post it - I am now firmly IN.
    "She turned me into a newt!"

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    "She turned me into a newt!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightn'ove View Post
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    Purely from a selfish short-termist point of view:

    - I want to be able to work anywhere in the EU, there are some amazing cities and countries that I would like to spend extended periods of time in.
    - I don't want my savings to be devalued compared to other currencies as the will inevitably drop significantly in the event of a brexit.
    - I don't want to stand in the incredibly long 'rest of world' passport queues at European airports.

    I'm willing to pay the 138 a year for the privileges of that membership.

    The EU institution clearly has problems but you need strong leaders in that organisation to reform it, not hand more economic and political power to the other large EU nations.
    Thats the rub really, I don't think anyone genuinely believes this is ever going to happen.

    Those who want to stay in so far seem to have a selfish point of view about it, thats fair enough, I have no problem with those who put them selves and their families first (unlike some self loathers in other threads.)

    Unfortunately for me, showing a passport more often and the like isn't really worth the cost of membership, and being controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
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    Not hard to really. The economy will shrink. Jobs will be lost. Simple really.

    The people that will suffer the most will be the poorest.


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    I think it's the shareholders that would lose out. That's why they want to stay in. How is it possible for the poor to be anymore worse off than they are right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladders View Post
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    So are you saying we'll no longer trade with Europe if we vote out?
    Of course we will. It'll be a lot harder, we'll benefit less from being part of a free trade bloc. That'll push costs up and increase overheads. That depresses profit and puts pressure on jobs.

    A decrease in jobs and corporate profits decreases tax revenues. That further depresses the economy making us a less attractive proposition for talent to come to (dirty immigration) or our own talent to stay (brain drain).

    Of course, we've got an aging population- fact, which means pressure on services will increase, but we'll have less revenues to pay for it. We can certainly wave goodbye to that 23 million a day that some OP is referring to as the mathematics will show it doesn't exist.

    Meanwhile, the Tories are going to lurch from right wing to left wing and turn the UK into a lentil eating collective where we all look after each other - I think not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladders View Post
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    So the EU makes are government spend money in Cornwall? and if it wasn't for the EU Cornwall would be a wasteland?

    Sorry if I sound facetious, I'm not intending to be. Could you expand on it a bit?
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    Are people taking stupidity pills on here today or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumLum View Post
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    Was a probable in now a definite out. Nothing to do with other nationalities working here I would like to see freedom of movement for current EU countries continue with an out vote. However recourses are probably stretched to the max now. I'm voting against the big businesses who are just looking out for themselves not the public however they want to spin it.
    And what control over EU Directives do big business have. Should your vote not be based on the workings of the EU.so what happens to employment levels with an out vote and big business prefer to be within the EU so they transfer operations to outside the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DumLum View Post
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    I think it's the shareholders that would lose out. That's why they want to stay in. How is it possible for the poor to be anymore worse off than they are right now?
    Because they won't have any work.

    In fact, they will, but you'll see an increase in zero hours contracts and take home will go down. Coupled with the disgraceful dismantling of welfare in this country you'll see as many people in work, but working for less - so more sinking into poverty.

    Not my subjective views. The objective views of economists based on the data available.


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