[News] New constituency boundary proposals

Weststander · Sep 13, 2016

Plooks said:
Well that would be a very different result as there would have to be a coalition. Maybe even a labour, lib dem and green coalition in power.

That triumvirate of self interests wouldn't have lasted a year. There's a misconception by some election bad losers (not NSCers, obviously), that all politicians who aren't Tories have so much in common. Labour would not want to give the Greens any credence that they are anything but a fringe party.

beorhthelm · Sep 13, 2016

Plooks said:
Well that would be a very different result as there would have to be a coalition. Maybe even a labour, lib dem and green coalition in power.

you'd most certainly have had a hard right Tory-UKIP coalition. the grand coalition of the left doesnt get enough votes in the last election.

BrianWade4 · Sep 14, 2016

Excellent idea
Means 60 less MPs overall

Snout in troph count down...

Looked at strategically, I am in favour

Weststander · Sep 14, 2016

beorhthelm said:
you'd most certainly have had a hard right Tory-UKIP coalition. the grand coalition of the left doesnt get enough votes in the last election.

Would that be with UKIP's inconsequential single MP?

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Eeyore · Sep 14, 2016

Looks like they've dug up some Empire carving Victorian cartographers to put this together.

Bob! · Sep 14, 2016

Titanic said:
I am not a fan of PR, because it puts the power in the hands of the party machines to fill their lists with toadies and lickspittles. You would never get the Portillo or Ed Bollx moments.

It doesn't need to be like that though.

120 constituencies each electing 5 Mp's.
You vote for up to 5 candidates in preference order.
If you don't like Portillo or Balls you don't vote for them.

Cian · Sep 14, 2016

Titanic said:
I am not a fan of PR, because it puts the power in the hands of the party machines to fill their lists with toadies and lickspittles. You would never get the Portillo or Ed Bollx moments.

Only the ridiculous list PR systems. You can have PR where you vote for people, and it leads to many Portillo equivalent moments.

midnight_rendezvous · Sep 14, 2016

Oh good. Our political system will be even less representative than it was before.

GT49er · Sep 15, 2016

Weststander said:
Would that be with UKIP's inconsequential single MP?

No it wouldn't. Haven't you been paying attention at all? Under PR, as is being discussed at the moment on here, there would be a considerable number of UKIP MPs. :facepalm:

GT49er · Sep 15, 2016

Brighton Lines said:
Looks like they've dug up some Empire carving Victorian cartographers to put this together.

Would the "Empire carving Victorian cartographers" be the ones they've got to identify 30 of Labour's safest seats, and abolish them?

Eeyore · Sep 15, 2016

GT49er said:
Would the "Empire carving Victorian cartographers" be the ones they've got to identify 30 of Labour's safest seats, and abolish them?

Depends if they coloured them pink or not.

GT49er · Sep 15, 2016

Brighton Lines said:
Depends if they coloured them pink or not.

Colour them any colour you like if you think it makes a clever point(?). They are (at the moment anyway) Labour safe seats, and the proposals are to drastically reduce the number of Labour safe seats.

1066gull · Sep 15, 2016

Bexhill and Battle to lose Burwash and gain Hailsham and Heathfield means we would contest two local elections in two different regions (Rother/Wealden)

Burwash would disappear in a huge constituency probably will called the new "High Weald" constituency

Grim. Just grim

darkwolf666 · Sep 15, 2016

All fine and dandy, but should have been combined with a switch to proportional representation at the same time, then every vote really would count and give the people a voice.

Green Cross Code Man · Sep 15, 2016

Buzzer said:
It's not more democratic. FPTP is a completely legitimate way of democratically electing MPs and there are pros and cons to it as there are with AV.

But once again, I ask - how does AV hand power back to the common man when the voter is still just voting for the same pool of candidates from the same parties to be elected to the same House of Commons? Sure the - percentage splits across parties may be different but it will still be Tory or Labour led under the same Parliamentary structures.

AV gives a more fair representation of the wishes of the people. Surely that gives more legitimacy to the representatives of the people?

It is a farce that the SNP gained 50 seats from just 4.7% of the vote as opposed to UKIP 1 seat from 12.6%. That's pretty undemocratic in my opinion.

Eeyore · Sep 15, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
AV gives a more fair representation of the wishes of the people. Surely that gives more legitimacy to the representatives of the people?

It is a farce that the SNP gained 50 seats from just 4.7% of the vote as opposed to UKIP 1 seat from 12.6%. That's pretty undemocratic in my opinion.

It's unlikely that we will have to worry about Scotland's representation in a decade's time. I suggest that, if the Union breaks up, PR stands a far greater chance of reaching the statute book.

Green Cross Code Man · Sep 15, 2016

Brighton Lines said:
It's unlikely that we will have to worry about Scotland's representation in a decade's time. I suggest that, if the Union breaks up, PR stands a far greater chance of reaching the statute book.

Do you think? I think if Scotland leaves, the Tory party will be in power at the next election. Without Scotland, labour are done (that's presuming that labour somehow get their act together). I can't see an incumbent Tory government going for pr when they have virtually been handed permanent power.

Eeyore · Sep 15, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
Do you think? I think if Scotland leaves, the Tory party will be in power at the next election. Without Scotland, labour are done (that's presuming that labour somehow get their act together). I can't see an incumbent Tory government going for pr when they have virtually been handed permanent power.

Much truth in that. Agreed.

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