Well Done Wales

Pretty pink fairy · Jul 2, 2016

Beach Hut said:
What hurts me so much is everything about that is so true.

What has made England so bad ?

Money
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DR

Mr Bronson · Jul 2, 2016

The last time England did anything really useful was Euro 96. It was no coincidence that this was the year of the dentist chair and the vilification of the team by the UK press. They bonded and generated a team spirit. Look at the Netherlands who serially underachieve. Training camp fights and on pitch arguments. No team spirit. This comes down to management. We have had a series of "managers" who can talk a great game but have had zero ability to pull together a group of individuals a make them a team. I hate to say it (and I'm going to have to have a shower after this) but maybe it's time for a footballing Neanderthal like Alerdyce.

Worried Man Blues · Jul 2, 2016

I am with you Allerdicci

Mr Bronson said:
The last time England did anything really useful was Euro 96. It was no coincidence that this was the year of the dentist chair and the vilification of the team by the UK press. They bonded and generated a team spirit. Look at the Netherlands who serially underachieve. Training camp fights and on pitch arguments. No team spirit. This comes down to management. We have had a series of "managers" who can talk a great game but have had zero ability to pull together a group of individuals a make them a team. I hate to say it (and I'm going to have to have a shower after this) but maybe it's time for a footballing Neanderthal like Alerdyce.

Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ · Jul 2, 2016

Worried Man Blues said:
I am with you Allerdicci

If you're browsing for English Dinosaurs surely you'd have to give the Redknappasaurus a sniff?

symyjym · Jul 2, 2016

Mr Bronson said:
The last time England did anything really useful was Euro 96. It was no coincidence that this was the year of the dentist chair and the vilification of the team by the UK press. They bonded and generated a team spirit. Look at the Netherlands who serially underachieve. Training camp fights and on pitch arguments. No team spirit. This comes down to management. We have had a series of "managers" who can talk a great game but have had zero ability to pull together a group of individuals a make them a team. I hate to say it (and I'm going to have to have a shower after this) but maybe it's time for a footballing Neanderthal like Alerdyce.

I thought Hoddle did ok, and I still think he could do a job.

Eggman · Jul 2, 2016

Mr Bronson said:
The last time England did anything really useful was Euro 96. It was no coincidence that this was the year of the dentist chair and the vilification of the team by the UK press. They bonded and generated a team spirit. Look at the Netherlands who serially underachieve. Training camp fights and on pitch arguments. No team spirit. This comes down to management. We have had a series of "managers" who can talk a great game but have had zero ability to pull together a group of individuals a make them a team. I hate to say it (and I'm going to have to have a shower after this) but maybe it's time for a footballing Neanderthal like Alerdyce.

Yep. I was only saying yesterday the last two great tournaments was 90 and 96 and the players went on the piss before and I think during 1990. It bonded the players and created a mean team ethic.

It's so depressing. Look at the 96 side. Leaders EVERYWHERE. Adams. Ince. Pearce. Seaman. Shearer. Sheringham. None of those would stand for this shower of pampered softies.

England. The only side there with insane security whilst the Italians mingle in the town. Hmmm.

Nothing will change. They plainly just don't care.

Worried Man Blues · Jul 2, 2016

My era is "Do the Brontosaurus"

Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ;7495918 said:
If you're browsing for English Dinosaurs surely you'd have to give the Redknappasaurus a sniff?

Return of the Rev · Jul 2, 2016

Eggman said:
Yep. I was only saying yesterday the last two great tournaments was 90 and 96 and the players went on the piss before and I think during 1990. It bonded the players and created a mean team ethic.

It's so depressing. Look at the 96 side. Leaders EVERYWHERE. Adams. Ince. Pearce. Seaman. Shearer. Sheringham. None of those would stand for this shower of pampered softies.

England. The only side there with insane security whilst the Italians mingle in the town. Hmmm.

Nothing will change. They plainly just don't care.

Well we drew with the swiss

Beat the jocks by one goal

Then the highlight ripped the dutch apart :smile:

then squeezed past the spanish on pens :moo:

before going out to the Germans :shootself

One cracking performance in the whole tourno

Eggman · Jul 2, 2016

Return of the Rev said:
Well we drew with the swiss Beat the jocks by one goal Then the highlight ripped the dutch apart then squeezed past the spanish on pens before going out to the Germans One cracking performance in the whole tourno

More entertaining than recently no?

Gwylan · Jul 2, 2016

chimneys said:
Not quite sure that theory holds water.I give you Germany,Italy,France and normally Spain.Always top seeds, rarely tested against other top countries but consistently perform.

I was talking about England specifically: our record in knockout matches over the past couple of decades is dreadful. I obviously don't think it's the whole story - the reasons for England's many failures are varied and complex - but I wonder if there's an element of it.

Spain though is an interesting one: until recently, they had a dreadful record in tournaments even though they qualified for pretty much every one. They turned it round so, in theory, it could be possible.

atfc village · Jul 2, 2016

Eggman said:
Yep. I was only saying yesterday the last two great tournaments was 90 and 96 and the players went on the piss before and I think during 1990. It bonded the players and created a mean team ethic.

It's so depressing. Look at the 96 side. Leaders EVERYWHERE. Adams. Ince. Pearce. Seaman. Shearer. Sheringham. None of those would stand for this shower of pampered softies.

England. The only side there with insane security whilst the Italians mingle in the town. Hmmm.

Nothing will change. They plainly just don't care.

Ince? Led so well when it came to taking Penalties.

Eggman · Jul 2, 2016

atfc village said:
Ince? Led so well when it came to taking Penalties.

Fair

atfc village · Jul 2, 2016

Eggman said:
Fair

But i get your point . Most of the current squad wouldn't get in the 96 squad.

Ernest · Jul 2, 2016

atfc village said:
But i get your point . Most of the current squad wouldn't get in the 96 squad.

Because they were only about 5 years old then

atfc village · Jul 2, 2016

Ernest said:
Because they were only about 5 years old then

Oh Ernest that was funny.

Sussex Nomad · Jul 3, 2016

matto.75 said:
Unfortunately no ,I'm not too young to remember Andy Townsend the ultimate Irishman

And the scouser Hughton.

atfc village · Jul 3, 2016

Sussex Nomad said:
And the scouser Hughton.[/

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