The Jeremy Corbyn thread

Not Andy Naylor · Aug 30, 2018

Neville's Breakfast said:
I answered this interpretation in post 3305 with some actual examples.
Sure there will be some people doing as you say and I do not agree with Rabbi Sachs' comments this week about Corbyn in 2013. However, there is also unaddressed anti scemitism in the Labour Party and people should not dismiss the subject by hiding behind Israel/Palestine (not saying you are doing so).

Well, I did say 'some' people, and the examples you quote are sadly representative of that Jews = big business = robbing the workers attitude that appeared on a certain mural that Corbyn, the idiot, seemed to defend.

GT49er · Aug 30, 2018

Not Andy Naylor said:
Corbyn and his inner circle. Party politics is all about perception so whether or not Corbyn has anything to apologise for himself hardly matters any more. Many people seem to think he has said something for which he needs to apologise and therefore he has. Then someone - Seumas Milne, for example, in the absence of Malcolm Tucker - needs to take a pro-active approach to limiting any further damage. That could include ferreting through the records to see who might have any other embarrassing utterances, photographs or visits to foreign cemeteries waiting to be discovered by the Daily Mail. A big job, but if they're serious, it will have to be done.

Or they could just keep on arguing the point, but I think that in the public mind the argument is already lost.

Well, thanks for the detailed reply - not something you always expect on here! - but never heard of any of 'em, sorry! I do, however, think that 'they could just keep on arguing' isn't a bad forecast!

pb21 · Aug 30, 2018

GT49er said:
Well, thanks for the detailed reply - not something you always expect on here! - but never heard of any of 'em , sorry! I do, however, think that 'they could just keep on arguing' isn't a bad forecast!

Not Andy Naylor said:
Corbyn and his inner circle. Party politics is all about perception so whether or not Corbyn has anything to apologise for himself hardly matters any more. Many people seem to think he has said something for which he needs to apologise and therefore he has. Then someone - Seumas Milne, for example, in the absence of Malcolm Tucker- needs to take a pro-active approach to limiting any further damage. That could include ferreting through the records to see who might have any other embarrassing utterances, photographs or visits to foreign cemeteries waiting to be discovered by the Daily Mail. A big job, but if they're serious, it will have to be done.

Or they could just keep on arguing the point, but I think that in the public mind the argument is already lost.

zefarelly · Aug 30, 2018

Just imagine how much runny stinky sloppy shit would be through your letter box and spraying out of your tv screen if the press went this far with say . .. Mays Husband, Cameron, Boris J, even the slippery taunt that is my local mp, Tim nice but dim!

We're ****ed as I see it, party politics is dead, and we'll be eating rats while they laugh at us soon.

Chicken Run · Aug 31, 2018

zefarelly said:
Just imagine how much runny stinky sloppy shit would be through your letter box and spraying out of your tv screen if the press went this far with say . .. Mays Husband, Cameron, Boris J, even the slippery taunt that is my local mp, Tim nice but dim!

We're ****ed as I see it, party politics is dead, and we'll be eating rats while they laugh at us soon.

Going by the last election **** all, the only stinky sloppy shit that came through my door was Labour Party leaflets and door knocks!

zefarelly · Aug 31, 2018

I was referring to the press and media, to etc, and all the propaganda they peddle.

Chicken Run said:
Going by the last election **** all, the only stinky sloppy shit that came through my door was Labour Party leaflets and door knocks!

mikeyjh · Aug 31, 2018

Not Andy Naylor said:
I think some people are purposely conflating and confusing a pro-Palestine, anti-Israel stance with anti-semitism, but because Corbyn and his cronies are so obstinate (if you're being kind, insensitive/downright thick if you're not), Labour have allowed it to blow up out of all proportion. They need to apologise and sort it.

Of course they're doing it on purpose, it absolutely suits their agenda - The thing about Corbyn being obstinate is entirely true and probably not politically the best way forward but it's something I really admire about him, it's part and parcel of being as principled as he obviously is. I'm disappointed that they have bullied in to potentially adopting the IHRA definition of anti-semitism which does EXACTLY what you've talked about in your first sentence but again they probably have no choice politically.

GT49er · Aug 31, 2018

pb21 said:

Michael Tucker is funny? You think it's rhyming slang or something? Oh well, carry on sniggering if it makes you feel good...............

pb21 · Aug 31, 2018

GT49er said:
Michael Tucker is funny? You think it's rhyming slang or something? Oh well, carry on sniggering if it makes you feel good...............

Malcom Tucker is funny actually, hadn't actually considered the rhyming slang aspect, quite apt really!

GT49er · Aug 31, 2018

pb21 said:
Malcom Tucker is funny actually, hadn't actually considered the rhyming slang aspect, quite apt really!

clapham_gull · Aug 31, 2018

Anyone who has attended a University campus in the last ten years will note that the left has become preoccupied with Palestine.

Nothing wrong with that (completely the opposite) and I'd imagine the situation was the same with South Africa before my time.

However being "left wing" is not defined by being upset about one particular problem.

This is now is the problem with the Labour party. Activists have defined what it means to a be a member and if you don't fit in you are out. Student politics at its best.

For all their rabid frothing you don't hear those on the right of the Conservative party describing remainers as non Tories.

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Neville's Breakfast · Aug 31, 2018

mikeyjh said:
Of course they're doing it on purpose, it absolutely suits their agenda - The thing about Corbyn being obstinate is entirely true and probably not politically the best way forward but it's something I really admire about him, it's part and parcel of being as principled as he obviously is. I'm disappointed that they have bullied in to potentially adopting the IHRA definition of anti-semitism which does EXACTLY what you've talked about in your first sentence but again they probably have no choice politically.

I gave links to examples of anti scemitism in the Labour Party in post 3305.

Neville's Breakfast · Aug 31, 2018

clapham_gull said:
Anyone who has attended a University campus in the last ten years will note that the left has become preoccupied with Palestine.

Nothing wrong with that (completely the opposite) and I'd imagine the situation was the same with South Africa before my time.

However being "left wing" is not defined by being upset about one particular problem.

This is now is the problem with the Labour party. Activists have defined what it means to a be a member and if you don't fit in you are out. Student politics at its best.

For all their rabid frothing you don't hear those on the right of the Conservative party describing remainers as non Tories.

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Thoughtful summary of the history of left wing politics in this country. Socialism is similar to religion in that its fine ideals are continually being let down by many of its followers. No surprise that both are marginalised in this country.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 31, 2018

pb21 said:

My thoughts entirley. I think anyone who hasn't watched The Thick of It should be barred from all the NSC political threads

(i.e., they should come the **** in or **** the **** off) :lolol:

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 31, 2018

GT49er said:

see post 3341 and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_FrQnQv0Vw

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 31, 2018

While I'm here, this is what labour needs right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjikN4B95dk

Bozza · Aug 31, 2018

I've renamed the thread as the previous title seemed somewhat out of date.

GT49er · Aug 31, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
see post 3341 and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_FrQnQv0Vw

No, sorry, can't be **sed. Not that a black rectangle explains much anyway...................

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 31, 2018

Bozza said:
I've renamed the thread as the previous title seemed somewhat out of date.

You could call it the 'Jeremy Corbyn in the thick of it' thread.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Aug 31, 2018

GT49er said:
No, sorry, can't be **sed. Not that a black rectangle explains much anyway...................

You have absolutely no idea what you're missing, evidently. Seriously mate, avoid a whoosh like the sound of Concord flying overhead, put your feet up, and laugh yourself stupid for 20 minutes. You won't regret it. :thumbsup:

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