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    Benn, Umana, etc don't have much of a career ahead of them as members of an unelectable party - better to take a deep breath, form a grand alliance with the pro-EU centrist wing of the Conservative Party (who also won't have much of a career ahead of them when the Fat Philanderer takes over), force a general election and fight it on a Stop the Negotiations ticket. Wait a few months for the economic disasters of 23 June to start biting and, who knows.
    Yeah, that's possibly an option. One of the things this referendum has thrown up is a new division in British (or at least English and Welsh politics). The Establishment vote (Remain) came largely from the metropolitain areas. The "F**k you" vote came from an alliance of the Tory Shires and the old Labour heartlands, two areas that believe they've been abandoned and shat on by all the traditional metro-centric parties. Maybe we need new parties to reflect these new divisions.


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      We all knew that though. It's totally meaningless, it has no clout.

      I agree with Ernest and Lincoln Imp, the future has to be a new centrist party. Corbyn is not going to lose an election of the members and the centre are going to feel more and more uncomfortable, time to go and start anew, And there are going to be pro-EU Tories increasingly unhappy with their party, ready to join them.

      It's going to be fun ....
      If a vote of no confidence is passed against Corbyn on a day-to-day level how on earth can he operate at Westminster? He would be laughed out of the chamber and his position would be totally untenable despite what the £3 brigade think. Forming a new party would be throwing the baby out with the bath water but some form of electoral pact with other parties may be an option at the next election, if Corbyn is no longer leader. If he is, then Boris will walk the next election. I think Corbyn is someone who genuinely thinks about helping others less fortunate than himself but he's also a very weak leader. He has to go.

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      Tom Watson
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      Last thing the Labour Party need is another METROPOLITAN elite in charge especially one who already BOTTLED out of standing for the leaders job
      By Metropolitan elite. I am assuming you mean someone fortunate enough to be well educated and have more than one brain cell. That is exactly what we DO need

      This is not Nick Rhodes. He'd kill me for writing this !
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      Tom Watson is a no brighter than Corbyn. Another socialist loon with one brain cell. Try to be serious

      This is not Nick Rhodes.
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      Tom Watson is a no brighter than Corbyn. Another socialist loon with one brain cell. Try to be serious

      This is not Nick Rhodes.
      Your opinion. Although I wasn't being altogether serious I do have a lot of time for Tom Watson. And there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of choice (if you don't want a New Labout leader anyway). John McDonnell would get a lot of stick about comments he has made in the past I reckon.
      'I’m big and I’m loud and I never let anybody know what I'm feeling. Sometimes it’s so difficult…I..I really like you, Halo' 'I like you too, Toy. You’re my best friend' 'Sure. Best friends. That’s what I meant.'
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      Last thing the Labour Party need is another METROPOLITAN elite in charge especially one who already BOTTLED out of standing for the leaders job
      Was patently just BIDING his time. Chuka Umunna was all fired up on the BBC this morning. Young and smart and feisty enough to take The Labour Party where it needs to be. Gets my vote.
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      We need another Blair. Only without the illegal wars. Someone good with the media, tactically astute, comfortable in the center. A natural leader with an anti-austerity mandate.
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      Your opinion. Although I wasn't being altogether serious I do have a lot of time for Tom Watson. And there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of choice (if you don't want a New Labout leader anyway). John McDonnell would get a lot of stick about comments he has made in the past I reckon.
      I totally agree with you there's isn't much choice. But sometimes someone unfancied pops up, someone not on the radar. Think this is not out of the question. Apologies didn't mean to sound harsh

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      If a vote of no confidence is passed against Corbyn on a day-to-day level how on earth can he operate at Westminster?
      But he already has been operating there ... despite the lack of support.

      Put it another way, how can party leaders operate without the support of 70% of the members? Trying to oust him would lose huge swaths of grass-root support

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