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    I have voted Tory most of my life because I lean towards capitalism more than socialism. In more recent years as I get older I have started to feel more inclined towards socialist ideals without losing my belief that capitalism is still the most realistic economic model. I have lost faith in the Tory party and would happily consider a party more left wing but would find it impossible to vote for a party led by Corbyn.

    If they had a less left wing leader and somebody I could relate to then I might just consider voting for them. I suspect there are many more ex Tory voters out there that feel as I do. There is a vacuum in politics at the moment and I think it’s an opportunity that could be taken advantage of by Labour with a different leader. If that doesn’t happen then perhaps a new party will come to the fore and offer something for others who feel as I do
    Agree with most of that post.

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      I have voted Tory most of my life because I lean towards capitalism more than socialism. In more recent years as I get older I have started to feel more inclined towards socialist ideals without losing my belief that capitalism is still the most realistic economic model. I have lost faith in the Tory party and would happily consider a party more left wing but would find it impossible to vote for a party led by Corbyn.

      If they had a less left wing leader and somebody I could relate to then I might just consider voting for them. I suspect there are many more ex Tory voters out there that feel as I do. There is a vacuum in politics at the moment and I think it’s an opportunity that could be taken advantage of by Labour with a different leader. If that doesn’t happen then perhaps a new party will come to the fore and offer something for others who feel as I do
      Reminds me a lot of the early 80's the Thatcher right versus the Loony left. We desperately need a centre party for sane people to vote for, Lib Dems only answer for me. Have an LD MP one on my patch doing a great job with a real voice in parliament replacing a Tory yes woman career politician who lost the plot
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      I have voted Tory most of my life because I lean towards capitalism more than socialism. In more recent years as I get older I have started to feel more inclined towards socialist ideals without losing my belief that capitalism is still the most realistic economic model. I have lost faith in the Tory party and would happily consider a party more left wing but would find it impossible to vote for a party led by Corbyn.

      If they had a less left wing leader and somebody I could relate to then I might just consider voting for them. I suspect there are many more ex Tory voters out there that feel as I do. There is a vacuum in politics at the moment and I think it’s an opportunity that could be taken advantage of by Labour with a different leader. If that doesn’t happen then perhaps a new party will come to the fore and offer something for others who feel as I do
      I agree, but the problem is that Labour is now a far left party, under far left control. The moderate, sensible, Labour leader you wish for will therefore not emerge in the current set up.
      If the moderate Labour MP's such as John Woodcock, Kate Hoey and Frank Field were to form an alternative option then that is a party I may be interested in.
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      I agree, but the problem is that Labour is now a far left party, under far left control. The moderate, sensible, Labour leader you wish for will therefore not emerge in the current set up.
      If the moderate Labour MP's such as John Woodcock, Kate Hoey and Frank Field were to form an alternative option then that is a party I may be interested in.
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      I agree, but the problem is that Labour is now a far left party, under far left control. The moderate, sensible, Labour leader you wish for will therefore not emerge in the current set up.
      If the moderate Labour MP's such as John Woodcock, Kate Hoey and Frank Field were to form an alternative option then that is a party I may be interested in.
      By moderate do you mean Brexiteer?
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      Reminds me a lot of the early 80's the Thatcher right versus the Loony left. We desperately need a centre party for sane people to vote for, Lib Dems only answer for me. Have an LD MP one on my patch doing a great job with a real voice in parliament replacing a Tory yes woman career politician who lost the plot
      And a host of local MPs and Councillors who shafted this football club time and again. Lib Dems should get my vote every time but not sure I can ever vote for them again given how illiberal or undemocratic a lot of them seem to have been.
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      You've admitted yourself , vegster, youre in a sh1t job and going nowhere ,those of us whove worked saved and built something , dont want to spunk it away on corbyns dubious schemes, i wont vote tory, but i could never vote labour with the likes of corbyn, mcdonnell and abbott in charge.
      Don't assume you are the only person who's worked hard for what they have achieved in life, there are millions in this country grafting in poorly paid work.

      I'm well aware a Labour government won't suddenly create a decent well paid job for me. Corbyn's " dubious schemes " are not his alone, they have been put forward and supported by conference and the National Executive. If you feel that supporting the NHS and it's overworked and underpaid staff, or investing in the education system for our descendants is not for you, then fine.

      I would like a country where everyone has a chance to buy a house and get a good education without being saddled with an almost impossible burden of debt. A country where people who have contributed to the country don't die abandoned in a hospital corridor..

      No one's going to take your cash off you, you don't have to stuff your mattress with your hard earned cash, so sleep well well and enjoy the fruits of your labour but accept that others would want the same.
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      Don't assume you are the only person who's worked hard for what they have achieved in life, there are millions in this country grafting in poorly paid work.

      I'm well aware a Labour government won't suddenly create a decent well paid job for me. Corbyn's " dubious schemes " are not his alone, they have been put forward and supported by conference and the National Executive. If you feel that supporting the NHS and it's overworked and underpaid staff, or investing in the education system for our descendants is not for you, then fine.

      I would like a country where everyone has a chance to buy a house and get a good education without being saddled with an almost impossible burden of debt. A country where people who have contributed to the country don't die abandoned in a hospital corridor..

      No one's going to take your cash off you, you don't have to stuff your mattress with your hard earned cash, so sleep well well and enjoy the fruits of your labour but accept that others would want the same.
      how did you get on applying for the train drivers job ?
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      Reminds me a lot of the early 80's the Thatcher right versus the Loony left. We desperately need a centre party for sane people to vote for, Lib Dems only answer for me. Have an LD MP one on my patch doing a great job with a real voice in parliament replacing a Tory yes woman career politician who lost the plot
      Agreed. I struggle to see my vote going anywhere else in the immediate future. As my learned friend @Lincoln Imp says: if people believed the Lib Dems could win, they probably would.

      Unfortunately we just have too many people, on both sides, who can not do anything beyond try to pour scorn on their opposites whilst ignoring the many obvious shortcomings of their chosen ones.

      My brief return to a couple of political threads on here over the last 24 hours has just reinforced my view there really is no point getting involved, and to just let the frothy-mouthed and blinkered ones get on it.
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      Unfortunately we just have too many people, on both sides, who can not do anything beyond try to pour scorn on their opposites whilst ignoring the many obvious shortcomings of their chosen ones.
      Sadly, that sums up politicians, politics, and political debate. Sad because a political debate used to be great fun, but now, to disagree with someone is tantamount to being evil, and a whole host of views across a wide spectrum are thrown at you as if they are yours by association. It just becomes so very tiresome.
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