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Bevendean Hillbilly

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There's not much to recommend Corbyn but, on this occasion, he's absolutely right to stick up for himself.

It is entirely sensible to condemn Zionism without being an anti Semite. Netanyahu has once again played the ""Jew hater" card to silence any and all condemnation of Israeli treatment of Palestinians.

Visiting the graves of Palestinian dead, killed by Israeli action, is not anti Semitic its anti murder.

This is the reason that Corbyn has tried to maintain the ability to criticise Israel ...and what has happened to him is exactly what happens to anyone who tries to ask awkward questions about the continuing illegal land grabs going on inside Palestine.
 


Two Professors

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Jul 13, 2009
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It's not working, time for the next smear

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Lots of polls,none the same!

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Brian Fantana

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Oct 8, 2006
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It's not working, time for the next smear

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If you took Corbyn out of the equation, Labour's lead would be enormous IMO. You've got a disjointed and clueless Tory government, who are presiding over and making a total mess of the most important negotiations our country will take part in for a generation. And yet, Labour only hold a 2 point lead. Given the state of play, they should be streets ahead.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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Corbin is a disaster for labour rendering them totally unelectable. Which makes it even more peculiar that the Mail has embarked on a crusade to get the mild mannered tool dumped.

If I was Lord Rothermere (I like to think I'd kill myself but I'd be too selfish to do it) I'd be cheering him on from the sidelines.
 


Chicken Run

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"I don't think I laid a wreath" says JC pictured holding a wreath....

I don't believe he's an anti Semite, and I do think the Palestinians have been treated appallingly, but for him to say this is all to do with bringing peace is frankly BS

For peace, you have to speak and engage with both sides - how often has he engaged with the Israelis? I guess he has history though, as with only ever talking to the republican side in the troubles.

Ironic don’t you think that the man who wants to promote dialogue was an advocate of banning Trump visiting these shores, probably because he’s happy getting in to “dialogue “ with people that agree with him!!!
 






Bevendean Hillbilly

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Most people who say "Corbyn is unelectable" were never going to vote Labour anyway.

That’s a bold statement. I voted labour for my entire adult life until “momentum” came along. I don’t like Corbyn and McDonnell. Never did never will. It’s possible to be left leaning without being a total knobber.
 






Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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If you took Corbyn out of the equation, Labour's lead would be enormous IMO. You've got a disjointed and clueless Tory government, who are presiding over and making a total mess of the most important negotiations our country will take part in for a generation. And yet, Labour only hold a 2 point lead. Given the state of play, they should be streets ahead.

Exactly this.

Labour should be 20 points clear in the polls, not 2.

Feeble Government, pathetic opposition.
 


wellquickwoody

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Netanhayu totally owned by Corbyn with his tweet last night. It’s obvious this is all about getting rid of him but why ? I thought everyone says he is useless ???

Generally speaking I am no fan of modern Israel as seems only to emulate its historic foe of old in its political dogma. But Netanhayu actually is a player on the world stage, Corbyn struggles to make a meaningful impression in England!
 






Bevendean Hillbilly

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In fact I’ve thought about my friends circle which has a fair few Labour voters in it. I can only think of 1 out of 12 who supports Corbyn. I think he’s driven out a lot of labours middle ground support and replaced it with a bunch of reactionaries.
 








The Camel

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Nov 1, 2010
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That’s a bold statement. I voted labour for my entire adult life until “momentum” came along. I don’t like Corbyn and McDonnell. Never did never will. It’s possible to be left leaning without being a total knobber.

You're one person.

You being unable to vote for Corbyn does not equal "Corbyn is unelectable" unless your vote counts for about 4 million vote over 350 constituencies.
 


shingle

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Jan 18, 2004
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There's not much to recommend Corbyn but, on this occasion, he's absolutely right to stick up for himself.

It is entirely sensible to condemn Zionism without being an anti Semite. Netanyahu has once again played the ""Jew hater" card to silence any and all condemnation of Israeli treatment of Palestinians.

Visiting the graves of Palestinian dead, killed by Israeli action, is not anti Semitic its anti murder.

This is the reason that Corbyn has tried to maintain the ability to criticise Israel ...and what has happened to him is exactly what happens to anyone who tries to ask awkward questions about the continuing illegal land grabs going on inside Palestine.


They weren't Palestinian dead. Weren't they the people responsible for the Black September 1972 Munich attack or have I missed something. Palestinians yeah, but killers of 11 innocent athletes nonetheless.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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They weren't Palestinian dead. Weren't they the people responsible for the Black September 1972 Munich attack or have I missed something. Palestinians yeah, but killers of 11 innocent athletes nonetheless.

Fair enough. I didn’t realise. I 100% retract my comment. I didn’t know enough about the story.
He should be totally ashamed of himself if he was honouring those murderers.
 


The Camel

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If you took Corbyn out of the equation, Labour's lead would be enormous IMO. You've got a disjointed and clueless Tory government, who are presiding over and making a total mess of the most important negotiations our country will take part in for a generation. And yet, Labour only hold a 2 point lead. Given the state of play, they should be streets ahead.

Why do you think this?

Leave Remain was virtually 50:50.

If a remainer became Labour leader, they'd lose a lot of votes from leavers.

I think Labour would get a small poll boost from Lammy, Starmer or Ummuna being leader. But nothing that could be described as "enormous"

And Corbyn is a far better campaigner than anyone else Labour have to offer, so any boost would be short term and unlikely to lead to a better result than Corbyn could deliver in a GE.
 




Bevendean Hillbilly

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You're one person.

You being unable to vote for Corbyn does not equal "Corbyn is unelectable" unless your vote counts for about 4 million vote over 350 constituencies.

I’m one person but I don’t think I’m alone. I’ve said that I have quite a few labour voters in my social group and all but one won’t vote for Corbyn.
 


Brian Fantana

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Oct 8, 2006
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Why do you think this?

Leave Remain was virtually 50:50.

If a remainer became Labour leader, they'd lose a lot of votes from leavers.

I think Labour would get a small poll boost from Lammy, Starmer or Ummuna being leader. But nothing that could be described as "enormous"

And Corbyn is a far better campaigner than anyone else Labour have to offer, so any boost would be short term and unlikely to lead to a better result than Corbyn could deliver in a GE.

In my view, Corbyn's personality and background has alienated a pretty big number of centre ground voters, who Labour should be hoovering up in the current climate.
 



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