Too many people are disagreeing with you son, get with the program, Momentum= years on opposition!!
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Too many people are disagreeing with you son, get with the program, Momentum= years on opposition!!
midnight_rendezvous
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Why should he? It’s not true. To defend himself would insinuate he did something wrong (which he didn’t) and bring legitimacy to the smear.
Corbyn - time to go (incorporating Hilary Benn sacked etc...)
I agree, if I was in debt had a student loan his freebies would appeal to me, however I can just picture him as the child catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang skipping round the streets snaring young voters, childrennnnn , chocolates, ice cream, candy [emoji516], come and get it!
I agree, if I was in debt had a student loan his freebies would appeal to me, however I can just picture him as the child catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang skipping round the streets snaring young voters, childrennnnn , chocolates, ice cream, candy [emoji516], come and get it!
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He’s like a big stinky turd attracting flies , get rid and put a grown up in charge, bring back David Milliband!
midnight_rendezvous
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It’s not just free university education. A lot of his policies are incredibly popular. Moreover, I don't think Westminster appreciates how much anger there is directed at the economy and growing inequality drives Corbyn's support. Is anyone else talking about it? No. Not even Labour 'moderates'. Meanwhile, Tories are hemmed in between their ideology and reality.
What ideas are out of date? The labour manifesto at the last general election was very well received.
And this prick is so unelectable he and Momentum are ruining any chance the country has of dislodging this government! He’s a **** who’s spent his life shouting about a great deal but doing nothing!! Melt!
Of course they were! See post 3150, all bullshit though weren’t they!!
midnight_rendezvous
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Corbyn is that extreme rarity in politics, an honest and decent person who believes in socialism. People actually like that. They see those attacking him as sabotaging the possibility of a more equal society. And I’m sorry but have you looked at the alternatives? They're a complete shower of shit. They couldn't inspire a wet paper bag.
beorhthelm
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whats not true? he said himself he was at the event, just "not involved".
Corbyn - time to go (incorporating Hilary Benn sacked etc...)
midnight_rendezvous;8565739 They're a complete shower of shit. They couldn't inspire a wet paper bag.[/QUOTE said:
midnight_rendezvous
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The massively inconvenient fact that out of the eight terrorists confirmed to have committed the Munich Terrorist atrocity, not a single one is actually buried at the Cemetery in Tunis that Corbyn visited.
I thought I'd 'unblock' a few people so I could read recent posts on this thread and I'm glad I did. Lots of very interesting posts. Several folk who have come across as quite dogmatic sound quite reasonable*. Today. I saw the Mail headline in a shop this afternoon. Either this stuff is all true or it isn't. What actually are the facts?
I currently stand as someone who has voted mostly labour in the past (plus a bit of tactical liberal voting). I'm very unhappy with Corbyn as leader (certainly over his weak leadership), and Momentum as his stasi, with the antesemitic and/or IRA apologist contingent located excusively in these camps (although as a minority in each camp perhaps - albeit the analogy is how much human shit can you tolerate in a swimming pool before you decide to not swim in it). Or so it seems. Is this also all rubbish?
Did Corbyn actually support the IRA in the past, or is this just an inference based on his (rather compulsive) desire to engage with everyone and anyone, and be conciliatory? This nuance is quite importat I suspect since many who might vote labour are apparently disinclined to do so, while his new support is based among the young, who can be rather flighty.....
Overall I have a creeping feeling I have been lied to but I'm not sure by whom.....
Before those who have good reason to have nightmares about the IRA every time they close their eyes give me both barrels for not wishing Corbyn dead for what he aparently did after the Brighton bombing, I will add another musing. Clearly Islamic terrorists are Muslims. Clearly the IRA were Catholics. Given the attitudes of some on here to all muslims (or at least 'muslims' without any nuance concerning some most or all) is it still OK to hate all Catholics? I don't recall the Pope condemning the IRA in the 70s. Maybe a later Pope has apologised for the Catholic atrocities? Or is this a bit different (i.e., Catholics don't make their women dress like letter boxes, and are mostly white and mostly speak English)? I have always found this difference in attitude to Catholics and Muslims odd, especially the Catholics (IRA) have killed more English than the Muslims (I am generalising quite deliberately here).
In Canada during the war, Canadians of Japanese origin (including a mate of mine's wife) were interned. Canadians of German origin were not. Reason? Er, it was racism, of course. So I wonder how much of the apparent difference in hostility to Muslims versis Catholcs is based on racism.
Also, how easy it is to vilify Corbyn for being a bit old, a bit beardy, a bit naive, and a bit circumspect. In comparison, Boris is dynamic, decisive (eventually), unflinching, certain. cheeky, fun, delightful company. charming, but rude to weirdo foreigners.....
I suppose the point of this rambling post is that we see what we want to see, especially when it is presented in a way that appeals to our prejudices. And perhaps I should unblock a few more people and not go foir their jugular just becuase theythey piss me off, given that most of them seem to be pretty decent....
*Apart from Ernest who I see continues to abuse people in a childish way, in order to make it seem this is how labour behaves - childish, partizan and tittish troll - why anyone thinks he actually supports labour is beyond me.
I currently stand as someone who has voted mostly labour in the past (plus a bit of tactical liberal voting). I'm very unhappy with Corbyn as leader (certainly over his weak leadership), and Momentum as his stasi, with the antesemitic and/or IRA apologist contingent located excusively in these camps (although as a minority in each camp perhaps - albeit the analogy is how much human shit can you tolerate in a swimming pool before you decide to not swim in it). Or so it seems. Is this also all rubbish?
Did Corbyn actually support the IRA in the past, or is this just an inference based on his (rather compulsive) desire to engage with everyone and anyone, and be conciliatory? This nuance is quite importat I suspect since many who might vote labour are apparently disinclined to do so, while his new support is based among the young, who can be rather flighty.....
Overall I have a creeping feeling I have been lied to but I'm not sure by whom.....
Before those who have good reason to have nightmares about the IRA every time they close their eyes give me both barrels for not wishing Corbyn dead for what he aparently did after the Brighton bombing, I will add another musing. Clearly Islamic terrorists are Muslims. Clearly the IRA were Catholics. Given the attitudes of some on here to all muslims (or at least 'muslims' without any nuance concerning some most or all) is it still OK to hate all Catholics? I don't recall the Pope condemning the IRA in the 70s. Maybe a later Pope has apologised for the Catholic atrocities? Or is this a bit different (i.e., Catholics don't make their women dress like letter boxes, and are mostly white and mostly speak English)? I have always found this difference in attitude to Catholics and Muslims odd, especially the Catholics (IRA) have killed more English than the Muslims (I am generalising quite deliberately here).
In Canada during the war, Canadians of Japanese origin (including a mate of mine's wife) were interned. Canadians of German origin were not. Reason? Er, it was racism, of course. So I wonder how much of the apparent difference in hostility to Muslims versis Catholcs is based on racism.
Also, how easy it is to vilify Corbyn for being a bit old, a bit beardy, a bit naive, and a bit circumspect. In comparison, Boris is dynamic, decisive (eventually), unflinching, certain. cheeky, fun, delightful company. charming, but rude to weirdo foreigners.....
I suppose the point of this rambling post is that we see what we want to see, especially when it is presented in a way that appeals to our prejudices. And perhaps I should unblock a few more people and not go foir their jugular just becuase theythey piss me off, given that most of them seem to be pretty decent....
*Apart from Ernest who I see continues to abuse people in a childish way, in order to make it seem this is how labour behaves - childish, partizan and tittish troll - why anyone thinks he actually supports labour is beyond me.
midnight_rendezvous
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IMO, the Tories are polling higher because they're the only pro-Brexit party. And they also have permanent media support. Not to mention that, because of UK system, they seem to hold around a 35% of the vote whatever they do.
Corbyn - time to go (incorporating Hilary Benn sacked etc...)
Pro Brexit Party? The leader at the time was a remainer , the current leader is remainer, the only pro Brexit leader is Corbyn!!!!
Pro Brexit Party? The leader at the time was a remainer , the current leader is remainer, the only pro Brexit leader is Corbyn!!!!
midnight_rendezvous
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Much as I hate Corbyn's reluctance to fight Brexit, he has triangulated successfully enough to keep Labour Leavers on side while hanging on to Remainers.
The Tories may be incompetent but they’re still a pro-Brexit party. The infighting in the party is down to which version of Brexit we get.
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He said the party not the leader.
Its why a lot of people don't get Corbyn, he is not into personality politics.
So negative and abusive!. What would be your policy proposals and priorities be to improve the governance of theUk?
Like it or not the party is the leader!!
I suggest he sorts his personality politics out if he wants a shot at the big seat!