Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Indeed. But I still can't see that these shows now hold much interest for too many who have decided to vote to remain.
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ITV Referendum debate
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dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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I would generally agree, although I'm not talking about pro/vs brexit tweets, but rather tweets analysing the debate, critiquing the performances etc. Tweets from commentators, publications etc. Not saying that they are all objective, definately wasn't just me who saw a stark difference in conduct between the two sides tonight though.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Ah. I see what you mean. Interesting.
Likewise outers too. Perhaps we are masochists of politics and continue imbibing of the drug.
severnside gull
Well-known member
You mean delusion wins every time!?
Sorry. Didn't see it but was it Boris who was the delusional one? I'd hate to see him branded rational at this stage in his political career.
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Very poor show for the Remain argument last night across all channels. Leave where calm answered all the questions. It is a shame we haven't seen more women on the TV for the Leave campaign especially Kate Hoey who is one of the best speakers I have heard for Leave.
Also finally we get to see some people from Labour Leave. If you listened to the media you would think nobody from the Labour part supports Brexit.
The media made sure we got to here about defectors to Remain, but here is one going the other way.
http://news.sky.com/story/1709714/labour-mp-john-mann-comes-out-for-brexit
Also finally we get to see some people from Labour Leave. If you listened to the media you would think nobody from the Labour part supports Brexit.
The media made sure we got to here about defectors to Remain, but here is one going the other way.
http://news.sky.com/story/1709714/labour-mp-john-mann-comes-out-for-brexit
Are you feckin crazy!
Brighton Mod
Its All Too Beautiful
I also saw a completely different approach from both sides, remain were rather tetchy, anxious and constantly interupting, whilst the leave side were relaxed, respectful and to the point. Boris asked the remain panel if they could let him know of a law passed by the EU that they did not agree with, three heads looked down frantically at their notes, none of the panel answered the questioned because it was not on their set mantra for the evening.How much these debates sway people is difficult to tell, but I thought that both Gisela Stuart and Andrea Leadsom had a considered thoughtful approach and answered the questions, Andrea Leadsoms words to Nicolas Sturgeon were well chosen and floored the Scottish PM. Nicola Sturgeon was the better of the remain, but kept vearing on to Scottish Independence, wrong referendum Nicola move on and Angela Eagles personal attacks on Boris were uncalled for and what this campaign shouldn't be about. Amber Rudd comes across rather false, reading her notes, towing the party line with little real conviction other than repeating what her notes say.
For the me the big question is, what will life be like staying inside the EU as it slides inexorably to towards financial chaos, dictatorial control, uncontrolled mass immigration and inevitable civil unrest in parts of Europe. Who's running Greece now, who controls Irelands payments and who benefited from a German driven bailout of Greece..... German and French Banks who received 95% of the money. The EU is now not competitive, has too many obstructions on the entrepreneur, has a socialist bias and is run by unelected politicians who are unable to even keep their own accounts in order, in short it is a shambles into which we are contributing huge sums. The trade agreements that are held so high in this debate mean nothing to us the proletariate, I look around my home and see little that is produced in the EU, I buy online from China, the US and I don't see any barriers, I make the choice and just do not believe that the EU would enter into a trade war with the UK, they are incapable and it would be pyrrhic for them, they would lose more than us.
television debates or not, most would have made up their minds by now or just won't vote, but it will be close and certainly will define our generation.
southstandandy
WEST STAND ANDY
- Jul 9, 2003
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The behaviour of all concerned last night was simply pathetic in my view - that so called debate would have been more fitting on a Jeremy Kyle show. If their constant bickering reflects the effectiveness of our politicians, then I want to STAY IN and be ruled by Brussels. I have more faith in being told what to do by Brussels than our own supposedly elected MP's!!!
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
They should have had a Jeremy Kyle LIE DETECTOR test
Bladders
Twats everywhere
But more importantly...
No, No, Yes (after a few beers) , Yes, No, No, No!!
Sussex Nomad
Well-known member
What are the 'facts'? Where do you read them? Sun? Daily Mail? Guardian? Facts seem to be lost with politicians and media alike.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Sussex Nomad
Well-known member
Yeah I'm very believing of 'all the facts'.
drew
Drew
Probably easier to state what aren't facts. We don't spend £350m a week on the NHS. Turkey are not about to join the EU. Visa Free travel for Turks is only in the Schengen area and therefore not including the UK.
As to what life will be like whether we remain or leave, that is pretty much down to speculation and educated guesses.
Sussex Nomad
Well-known member
Think I'll just go with my instincts and leave the lying politicians and media to their own devices.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
I have read this whole document and its seems a reasonably honest attempt at analysing the claims by both sides
Purely as an observation on the tactics from both sides, the Remain trio really fared poorly. They didn't debate as a collective unit, I appreciate they came from three separate parties but at points it seemed the debate was merely a platform for them to sell their own agenda. Eagles referenced how it was a Tory shambles and how Labour are better, Sturgeon played the independent card (a very poor choice as she was repeatedly stung on her plans for a second referendum) and Rudd used it to start a fight with Boris as he'll either be a direct rival to her or someone she'll support when Cameron departs.
The fact that all three are from different parties could have been sold as a positive, here are three politicians who regularly disagree but feel the issue is so important it dissolves the normal party lines. To do that they should have been far more positive in supporting each other. In effect you had one united Leave trio versus three very different characters who seemed to be annoyed at having to stand next to each other.
One of the major errors I've noticed is that the Remain campaign has been fought in the Westminster bubble, the arguments they make may well land punches on Newsnight and in the chambers but not as much on the street level. They needed to give clear examples of how the EU helps the average chap, instead they cited how they were able to form a voting block to help deal with carbon omissions. This doesn't resonate.
In short I don't think I've ever seen politics so detached from the experience of the majority of the population, sadly this is what you get with career politicians.
The fact that all three are from different parties could have been sold as a positive, here are three politicians who regularly disagree but feel the issue is so important it dissolves the normal party lines. To do that they should have been far more positive in supporting each other. In effect you had one united Leave trio versus three very different characters who seemed to be annoyed at having to stand next to each other.
One of the major errors I've noticed is that the Remain campaign has been fought in the Westminster bubble, the arguments they make may well land punches on Newsnight and in the chambers but not as much on the street level. They needed to give clear examples of how the EU helps the average chap, instead they cited how they were able to form a voting block to help deal with carbon omissions. This doesn't resonate.
In short I don't think I've ever seen politics so detached from the experience of the majority of the population, sadly this is what you get with career politicians.