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    It was amazing that the top brass of Aslef said it guaranteed a SECOND person on EVERY train then the exception list was a mile long with the times a second person wouldn't be on the train, shameful that Whelan and Weller sold the deal as a breakthrough when it was worse than anything proposed before
    Yup, utterly ridiculous, and the vote result was a foregone conclusion. Whatever were the ASLEF reps THINKING when they came away from that waste of time fortnight? How on earth could they have worked themselves up into a state of mind whereby they thought their members might possibly go for such a non-deal?
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      touche, applies to the current cost of rail too.
      Of course you would have to spend BILLIONS on building roads and parking facilities though
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      Simple mathematics, no logic required ...54% of the 72% who voted,voted against...... Therefore only 38.88% voted to scupper deal ..
      Only 33% of the drivers support the deal then...
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      Do you realise how much it would cost to buy the trains and update the technology on the Brighton mainline to run driverless trains ?It would be cheaper to give everyone a new car instead
      Giving everyone a car would not be more efficient would it? Southern make billions, they can and should be pushing the improvement of the technology. You could run more trains closer together more passengers no, or hugely reduced, delays, I would suspect that, long term, it would be cheaper.
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      Hope the members will take a long hard look at the ASLEF top brass who took a whole two weeks to sell their members down the river. How long does it take to wave a white flag?
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      It was amazing that the top brass of Aslef said it guaranteed a SECOND person on EVERY train then the exception list was a mile long with the times a second person wouldn't be on the train, shameful that Whelan and Weller sold the deal as a breakthrough when it was worse than anything proposed before
      It's hardly been shown as waving the white flag with such a close vote, surely? Sounds pretty close to a doable deal.
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      To be honest there is no way I'd get on a driverless train that was running on the london to brighton line if they suddenly introduced them.

      I'd expect a gradual roll out starting with routes that are a lot less busy, and for them not to be running driverless at peak rush hour for a few years !!
      Why not? If the technology is put in place why not use it?
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      Giving everyone a car would not be more efficient would it? Southern make billions, they can and should be pushing the improvement of the technology. You could run more trains closer together more passengers no, or hugely reduced, delays, I would suspect that, long term, it would be cheaper.
      I think Southern make a small profit if one at all. GTR make a big profit, but not from Southern.
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      It's hardly been shown as waving the white flag with such a close vote, surely? Sounds pretty close to a doable deal.
      I guess the next step is they start to whittle down the exception list to one that's only half a mile long.
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      Why not? If the technology is put in place why not use it?
      I bet the driverless trains would join a union and go on strike.
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      Why not? If the technology is put in place why not use it?
      I wouldn't trust it until there had been a significant test phase on british mainline busy routes.

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