Southern Rail STRIKE details

Worthingite · Oct 12, 2016

Psychobilly freakout said:
I guess all the trains are running on time and it was all a bad dream

Nope. They had a new trick this morning. Locking the doors to a train two minutes early, then not allowing passengers walking down the platform to get on at brighton station. Utter joke of a company, going out of their way to make people's lives more difficult

Simster · Oct 12, 2016

I just got interviewed by the bloke off BBC radio Surrey and Sussex. It was Adrian who does the Albion commentary with JC and WA. Ended up talking to.him about the Albion for ages

Springal · Oct 12, 2016

All good from Brighton this morning. Got a seat on a Gatwick express and arrived in London on time

Psychobilly freakout · Oct 12, 2016

Simster said:
Ended up talking to.him about the Albion for ages &#55357;&#56832;

So you were obviously in a rush to get to work.....

Oh hang on.....

Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo! · Oct 12, 2016

thedonkeycentrehalf said:
That is fine but as many stations are now unmanned and SASTA are removing even the ticket office staff from stations, there is nobody on the platform to check that it is safe for the train to leave..

And anyone who's disabled and might need assistance is required to give SASTA at least 24 hours advance notice of their travel arrangements in order that they can arrange for suitably trained staff to be available at the stations to assist. Now there's an interesting approach to equality of treatment.
On SWT there are train guards who deal with this and, from personal experience, very helpful they are too.

Papa Lazarou · Oct 12, 2016

Alex said:
And anyone who's disabled and might need assistance is required to give SASTA at least 24 hours advance notice of their travel arrangements in order that they can arrange for suitably trained staff to be available at the stations to assist. Now there's an interesting approach to equality of treatment.
On SWT there are train guards who deal with this and, from personal experience, very helpful they are too.

i thought Southern had guaranteed the 2nd member of staff on all trains until their franchise ends?

Lord Bracknell · Oct 12, 2016

Hastings gull said:
Have you been drinking? Considering that millions vote Tory, that is a very strange remark, even by NSC standards, as you said on another thread. And you think that the next election will see the Tories lose - to Corbyn?!

Is it the case that the ONLY straw the Tories have to clutch is the one that tells them that Corbyn is unelectable? At least try to defend this government's record.

Postman Pat · Oct 12, 2016

Papa Lazarou said:
i thought Southern had guaranteed the 2nd member of staff on all trains until their franchise ends?

I think they have guaranteed that no one will lose their jobs, until the end of franchise anyway. They have said there will be a 2nd member of staff on the train, unless there are exceptional circumstances (like they haven't got enough staff...or the on board member of staff is delayed on a different train), they can then run the train without the need to cancel.

Bozza · Oct 12, 2016

Just a thought: are these strikes the most ineffective strikes ever?

A fair-proportion of those who commute to London most days are in desk based jobs which they can easily do from their dining room table, sofa or bed. Many will be delighted to have to work from home on strike days, something they can easily do with their laptop.

Those who do have to commute in on strike days find it all quite easy. There may be reduced capacity, but there's also significantly less demand due to all those working at home, or "working at home".

beorhthelm · Oct 12, 2016

Bozza said:
Just a thought: are these strikes the most ineffective strikes ever?

A fair-proportion of those who commute to London most days are in desk based jobs which they can easily do from their dining room table, sofa or bed. Many will be delighted to have to work from home on strike days, something they can easily do with their laptop.

and get delay repay. i'm getting a £20 odd rebate for every strike, WFH and looking forward to £300.

Simster · Oct 12, 2016

Bozza said:
Just a thought: are these strikes the most ineffective strikes ever?

A fair-proportion of those who commute to London most days are in desk based jobs which they can easily do from their dining room table, sofa or bed. Many will be delighted to have to work from home on strike days, something they can easily do with their laptop.

Those who do have to commute in on strike days find it all quite easy. There may be reduced capacity, but there's also significantly less demand due to all those working at home, or "working at home".

It took me two hours to get to work yesterday, and those who do get in end up crammed in like sardines. In the age of WFH it is fair to say these strikes have less of an impact than ever before, but when you're paying THOUSANDS for a crud service, even being mildly further inconvenienced is unacceptable.

Hastings gull · Oct 12, 2016

Lord Bracknell said:
Is it the case that the ONLY straw the Tories have to clutch is the one that tells them that Corbyn is unelectable? At least try to defend this government's record.

This post shows the dangers of interfering. It was not a question of defending anything, simply a retort to the post that the present government represents only a small minority, when in practice millions voted for it. The post then went on to say that he was waiting for the next election to see them voted out, and again I asked if he really thought that a Labour Party, or whatever is left of it by then, under Corbyn would win. basically, what you write is irrelevant.

Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo! · Oct 12, 2016

Papa Lazarou said:
i thought Southern had guaranteed the 2nd member of staff on all trains until their franchise ends?

Have they (or has the CEO just said something during a TV interview that may or may not be the current HMG position)? However, if so, and disregarding what would be Horton's further disingenuous approach towards his staff and the RMT, what will they be trained to do? They surely can't all be ex "guards" as SASTA, by admission, don't have sufficient to run their timetabled service.

If one of their functions is to assist disabled passengers then why am I required to notify them of my specific train times 24 hours in advance of travel - is this equality of treatment?

Springal · Oct 12, 2016

Bozza said:
Just a thought: are these strikes the most ineffective strikes ever?

A fair-proportion of those who commute to London most days are in desk based jobs which they can easily do from their dining room table, sofa or bed. Many will be delighted to have to work from home on strike days, something they can easily do with their laptop.

Those who do have to commute in on strike days find it all quite easy. There may be reduced capacity, but there's also significantly less demand due to all those working at home, or "working at home".

Agreed. Mildly inconvenient for me to drive to Brighton but my employer is paying for parking and petrol and actually trains every 15mins including the Gatwick Express makes a change from half hourly from Worthing.

How does delay repay work? Normally I'd go from Worthing but this isn't possible till gone 7. Can I claim on my Brighton to London ticket or not ?

HH Brighton · Oct 12, 2016

Hastings gull said:
This post shows the dangers of interfering. It was not a question of defending anything, simply a retort to the post that the present government represents only a small minority, when in practice millions voted for it. The post then went on to say that he was waiting for the next election to see them voted out, and again I asked if he really thought that a Labour Party, or whatever is left of it by then, under Corbyn would win. basically, what you write is irrelevant.

Only 1 in 4 people voted for this government. I like to comfort myself that in every day life 1 in 4 people I meet is either closet racist, selfish or thick.

Ernest · Oct 12, 2016

If the strikes are so ineffectual why is the service so poor ?

Ernest · Oct 12, 2016

Talks break down as Horton backtracks on his 'absolute guarantee' made yesterday, what a surprise

ManOfSussex · Oct 12, 2016

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-southern-talks-break-down/

Neville's Breakfast · Oct 12, 2016

HH Brighton said:
Only 1 in 4 people voted for this government. I like to comfort myself that in every day life 1 in 4 people I meet is either closet racist, selfish or thick.

then you don't understand democracy. Quite sad that this country seems to be producing a generation unable to cope with views with which they disagree. I am not a Tory and I support renationalisation of the railways but I don't make your sort of assumptions about people who think differently.

Stumpy Tim · Oct 12, 2016

Quick question for those still using the service during the strikes... are the Thameslink services still running normally, or are they ruined too?

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