hampshirebrightonboy
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- Sep 3, 2011
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Not irrelevant, they are learn all the Catholic customs, values etc. just that there is great emphasis on respecting other people not matter what they believe.
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What Muslims believe CH4 last night
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Not irrelevant, they are learn all the Catholic customs, values etc. just that there is great emphasis on respecting other people not matter what they believe.
Hastings gull
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But this not quite the same as the post you quote -interestingly, you leave out the bit about following the laws - and I think it is doubtful that ex pat brits do not accept local customs. Whilst you are right in that ex pats probably do not integrate particularly well, the fear with the muslim community here is that a significant minority is actually working against the host community's customs, which you really could not say for ex pats.
The Catholic values of guilt?
hampshirebrightonboy
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No Doubt! does not seem to be a major issue so far
ThePompousPaladin
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Hehe. It wasn't my thinking, but good point!
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
If your random sample randomly picked out 30 Shia males that wouldn't be representative of all Muslims though, would it?
And I don't think anyone has ridiculed the sample size, just questioned it.
No it wouldn't. I haven't looked at the surveys but is that what is happening here? If we are saying that all of those surveyed were Shia males, then I completely agree with you. However, if these surveys were conducted in a busy city shopping centre, and the first question was "are you muslim?" and all non-muslims were ignored, then I'd have confidence in the sample.
But a sample size of 1,000 is all that is required for 99% confidence in the results, as long as the sample is representative of the population at large. So for example, that means not standing in a muslim stronghold at 11pm doing the survey - because that way the results are likely to be skewed towards more men than women, and in favour of whatever muslim sect is prominent where the survey was conducted.
There are companies that specialise in surveying and they know these pitfalls. If a survey was conducted by Gallop, for example, I'd be tempted to take it seriously.
Re the first paragraph. Representativeness is key and not sample size. There was a famous example of a massive sample in the 1936 us election where the survey showed that republican Landon would win comfortably. A far smaller survey which used a representative sample (I believe it was the launch of Gallup) shows democrat Roosevelt winning. The republicans laughed the small sample out of town.
What happened? One of the biggest landslides ever for Roosevelt. So what went wrong? The republicans used telephone directories from private member clubs and such like and phoned people to gather their views. This was 1936 so not everyone had a phone and obviously certain people join these clubs. The results were heavily skewed to republican voters.
So the point re only sampling in areas with 20% plus is important. This is NOT representative of the overall population. I would imagine that those who are in white dominated areas will have very different views. This links to much of the contact theory work that is being led by miles hewstone at Oxford uni.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Good, so we are in agreement about how the sample set should selected then? That it should be representative rather than truly random?
I'll admit to being a bit sceptical about the confidence level from a sample size of 1000, are we talking about an error of +/- 3% as that seems like quite a wide margin all things considered? Perhaps I'm just being affected by the poor polling during the election.
What do you mean? The same survey was done against other sections. It wasn't a slap dash effort.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
I'm glad to hear that.
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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I would think if anything these numbers underplay the problem as muslims who took part in the poll would know admitting to values or beliefs opposing/threatening western values would likely bring increased resentment and mistrust. Did the polling company factor in a shy Jihadi element ...
Blimey, I didn't know that (not that I ever read it).
I would, if they sufficiently made sure the sample was representative.
Nope, that still comes across as shockingly bad. It's Sharia Law FFS! Surely at least 99% should be against it.
The best bit of the program was the end. The idea that schools limit the amount of ethnic minorities in their intake, in order to make sure different cultures mix with each other, looks like a really good one.
For questions they thought might be too personal and bring out the shy Tory, they handed over a part of the questionnaire to be filled in and returned (still face to face) in a blank envelope.
C4 say they used the top company (whom they named) to carry out the survey, and I don't think they made that up.
kevo
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Will never happen. Politicians from all parties seem to think faith schools are a good idea. Madness.
I'm an atheist, but my children go to a faith school, and I know 100% that you are wrong (because you say they only breed intolerance, as if there are no exceptions). The school my kids go to certainly does not breed intolerance. Children from other faiths are also welcome there.
I completely agree, I'm sure that's the way forward. But you can have faith schools that take in pupils from different faiths.
See above.
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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That would certainly help although I'm still not sure how many people are likely to tell a stranger even if anonymously they support Islamic terrorism.
Wasn't there a question where two thirds said they wouldn't inform the authorities if they suspected a fellow muslim was involved in extremism/terrorism
Do they though? I thought it was more that they believe that the State prohibiting faith schools (any ban would have to be of all denominations/religions in order to avoid accusations of racism) would be more of an evil (infringement of liberty) than allowing them and trying to deal with the fall out from/close the bad apples. I've not seen any politician actively promote faith schools as a "good idea". I could be wrong though - it's not a subject I keep myself up to date on...
KZNSeagull
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It is bad, so we have to help the 77% to educate the 23%. Particularly the women. Women hold the key to solving this problem, I reckon.