[Politics] Brexit

GT49er · May 15, 2016

sussex_guy2k2 said:
I'm surprised the whole country didn't make their mind up the moment Call-me-Dave Cameron joined the remain campaign. Doing the opposite to what he advocates is, of itself, sound reason to make a decision.

sussex_guy2k2 said:
I'm surprised the whole country didn't make their mind up the moment Jeremy Corbyn joined the remain campaign. Doing the opposite to what he advocates is, of itself, sound reason to make a decision.

Corrected for you - with equally valid alternatives depending on your underlying political persuasion.

Lincoln Imp · May 15, 2016

GT49er said:
Corrected for you - with equally valid alternatives depending on your underlying political persuasion.

A genuine request for your opinion - do you feel underlying political persuasions affect the view people people have on Brexit?

yxee · May 15, 2016

Hampster Gull said:
Things are going pretty good for the UK, I am proud of what we achieve in a tough world. Why would we jeopardise that for all the uncertainty that the Quitters would bring? So we can see the unfettered leadership from Corbyn? Or Borris? Or Nigel?

There will always be uncertainty.

I personally think there is more uncertainty when we have no border controls and our law is trumped by the ECJ.

At least if we leave the EU, any uncertainty over our future is determined by UK voters, and not some random country.

A vote for leaving is a vote for democracy.

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

If Livingstone had to go then Boris should stand down. Disgusting, desperate, and weird, behaviour

EU Referendum: Boris Johnson compares EU's aims to Hitler's

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36295208

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/14/eu-referendum-households-told-sign-up

Twenty-eight million UK households will be targeted this week in a mass campaign to encourage people to vote in the EU referendum. Good news for democracy.

Albumen · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
If Livingstone had to go then Boris should stand down. Disgusting, desperate, and weird, behaviour

EU Referendum: Boris Johnson compares EU's aims to Hitler's

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36295208

The outie's are a little quiet today . . . . it's always good to bring up Hitler, as Ken found out.

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

Albumen said:
The outie's are a little quiet today . . . . it's always good to bring up Hitler, as Ken found out.

Being outed as an opportunist with his changing views on the US trade deal and EU peace, being investigated over that ridiculous garden bridge thing and now this. The wheels are coming off the Boris wagon.

Green Cross Code Man · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
Being outed as an opportunist with his changing views on the US trade deal and EU peace, being investigated over that ridiculous garden bridge thing and now this. The wheels are coming off the Boris wagon.

Thank goodness labour has a leader who hasn't changed his mind about Europe in an opportunist manner......

GoldWithFalmer · May 15, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
Thank goodness labour has a leader who hasn't changed his mind about Europe in an opportunist manner......

beorhthelm · May 15, 2016

i see the Remain camp are resorting to lieing about this £4300 more. stronger in europe site, advertising on the forum, claim exit will cost 4300 per household every year. no mention the small details this (speculative figure) only applies from 2030.

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
Thank goodness labour has a leader who hasn't changed his mind about Europe in an opportunist manner......

Like all of us he has, at times, been critical of the EU. Nothing more.

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

beorhthelm said:
i see the Remain camp are resorting to lieing about this £4300 more. stronger in europe site, advertising on the forum, claim exit will cost 4300 per household every year. no mention the small details this (speculative figure) only applies from 2030.

Is this really the best you can do? Why don't the Brexit mob give us a figure for leaving then we can compare ?

Green Cross Code Man · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
Like all of us he has, at times, been critical of the EU. Nothing more.

Love it!

You don't really believe that though do you?

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
Love it!

You don't really believe that though do you?

In his speech he explained the areas he had considered, and said on balance we are currently better in. Are you suggesting he's lying?

Green Cross Code Man · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
In his speech he explained the areas he had considered, and said on balance we are currently better in. Are you suggesting he's lying?

No, not at all. I quite like him actually. However, I believe at heart, he is not impressed by the EU. In fact, that stands for almost all the remain camp. All everyone seems to say about remaining is how much worse off we'll all be rather than how wonderful it is going to be. Rather sad really when those in favour are not that enthusiastic either.

yxee · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
In his speech he explained the areas he had considered, and said on balance we are currently better in. Are you suggesting he's lying?

If Corbyn were to join the leave camp, and we voted to stay, he'll be totally finished. You've got to admit it would be a massive and stupid risk.

Soulman · May 15, 2016

Green Cross Code Man said:
Thank goodness labour has a leader who hasn't changed his mind about Europe in an opportunist manner......

beorhthelm · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
Is this really the best you can do? Why don't the Brexit mob give us a figure for leaving then we can compare ?

you're ok with them lieing outright about the effects of leaving? i suppose in at any cost for you. personally i accept there would be a small negative effect for a few years, but the medium and longer term is simply too unpredictable to make any real claim. to then take GDP and divide by households is a gross distortion of their own projection - how many have a household income of ~ £75k which is the equvilient figure today, and about 3 times the actual number post tax. to then insinuate that this is an immediate effect is shamefull lieing. why cant they keep to the facts, even their own speculative forecasts without resorting to such measures? i suppose because they dont want to have a proper debate, just ram home the fear of leaving. its been a sad debate with too little proper infomation from either side.

Herr Tubthumper · May 15, 2016

yxee said:
If Corbyn were to join the leave camp, and we voted to stay, he'll be totally finished. You've got to admit it would be a massive and stupid risk.

And he wants to stay and if we vote to leave he'll be finished......what point are you trying to make?

pastafarian · May 15, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
In his speech he explained the areas he had considered, and said on balance we are currently better in. Are you suggesting he's lying?

He also said only a few days ago TTIP would be damaging to this country.
Is his assessment of this EU treaty fair?

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