Brussels Airport Terrorist attack

Pinkie Brown · Mar 22, 2016

cunning fergus said:
I'm sure we will all be much safer in this country if we remain tied to an institution that allows for unlimited migration for people from war torn middle eastern countries, plans to allow 75m Muslims border free travel, and will soon expand the borders of "Europe" to Iraq and Iran.

What could go wrong?

Whilst easing travel restrictions from Turkey is cause for concern, all recent atrocities in France plus the events on our own shores in 2005 were carried out by terrorists who were born in the same countries they carried out the crimes.

carlzeiss · Mar 22, 2016

Pinkie Brown said:
Whilst easing travel restrictions from Turkey is cause for concern, all recent atrocities in France plus the events on our own shores in 2005 were carried out by terrorists who were born in the same countries they carried out the crimes.

Thanks , not so bad after all then .

Albion my Albion · Mar 22, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
I don't want to belittle what has happened today, but the chances of being involved in something like this are still incredibly incredibly slim. Life does, and has to, go on.

Not as slim as winning the lotto.

carlzeiss · Mar 22, 2016

Paris attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam will fight extradition

French president says he will seek ‘rapid’ handover of Abdelslam although Belgium says extradition could take several weeks

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dover-of-paris-attacks-suspect-salah-abdeslam

cunning fergus · Mar 22, 2016

Pinkie Brown said:
Whilst easing travel restrictions from Turkey is cause for concern, all recent atrocities in France plus the events on our own shores in 2005 were carried out by terrorists who were born in the same countries they carried out the crimes.

1) You are completely wrong, and that is not to count the many many planned atrocities foiled and failed.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/27/july7.uksecurity5

2) those born in the countries they subsequently committed atrocities in may be legal "nationals" that is not how they would define themselves and proof if needed that assimilation of some migrants will take generations.

3) The EU is opening the borders of national states to Turkey, and expanding to the Middle East without any mandate by those nations citizens, "cause for concern" is some understatement.

jimhigham · Mar 22, 2016

Thunder Bolt said:
This attack may well change security at airports. At the moment anyone can walk into a departure lounge without being scanned.

I work at Heathrow. I believe that there is a bye law in place specifying that only people with a legitimate reason to be at the airport may remain in the concourses. The police are therefore entitled to make any enquiries they deem necessary in order to establish the basis for a person's presence and I imagine that any ramping up of security could be done so immediately under this bye law. I occasionally see the police moving people along when I am on a night shift, although this is generally to stop homeless people using the terminal for shelter.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 22, 2016

cunning fergus said:
1) You are completely wrong, and that is not to count the many many planned atrocities foiled and failed.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/27/july7.uksecurity5

2) those born in the countries they subsequently committed atrocities in may be legal "nationals" that is not how they would define themselves and proof if needed that assimilation of some migrants will take generations.

3) The EU is opening the borders of national states to Turkey, and expanding to the Middle East without any mandate by those nations citizens, "cause for concern" is some understatement.

Do you have to try and derail what to now has been a reasonably reflective thread about today's events? Can you post this on the EU thread or something?

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 22, 2016

Albion my Albion said:
Not as slim as winning the lotto.

This debatable, but now is not the time.

Easy 10 · Mar 22, 2016

jimhigham said:
I work at Heathrow. I believe that there is a bye law in place specifying that only people with a legitimate reason to be at the airport may remain in the concourses. The police are therefore entitled to make any enquiries they deem necessary in order to establish the basis for a person's presence and I imagine that any ramping up of security could be done so immediately under this bye law. I occasionally see the police moving people along when I am on a night shift, although this is generally to stop homeless people using the terminal for shelter.

Anyone can buy an airline ticket though. Even if they have no intention of using it.

Gazwag · Mar 22, 2016

jimhigham said:
I work at Heathrow. I believe that there is a bye law in place specifying that only people with a legitimate reason to be at the airport may remain in the concourses. The police are therefore entitled to make any enquiries they deem necessary in order to establish the basis for a person's presence and I imagine that any ramping up of security could be done so immediately under this bye law. I occasionally see the police moving people along when I am on a night shift, although this is generally to stop homeless people using the terminal for shelter.

How would this stop somebody wheeling a suitcase full of explosives though the front door of the terminal and walking up to massive checking queue and blowing it up.

The same is true for any mainline station at rush hour.

studio150 · Mar 22, 2016

Numbers increasing unfortunately, a depressing and sad day.

Buzzer · Mar 22, 2016

Gazwag said:
How would this stop somebody wheeling a suitcase full of explosives though the front door of the terminal and walking up to massive checking queue and blowing it up.

The same is true for any mainline station at rush hour.

Agreed. I go through St Pancras every day and although there are often armed police there, it's obvious to everyone that it still wouldn't be too difficult to replicate what happened in Brussels today.

cunning fergus · Mar 22, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
Do you have to try and derail what to now has been a reasonably reflective thread about today's events? Can you post this on the EU thread or something?

Give yourself a shake love, I'm merely reflecting reasonably on the UK's own national security in light of this new terrorist attack in Europe.

The issue of national security has been prominent in the EU debate so far therefore its not a massive mental leap to relate this attack to our own arrangements.

Indeed, there have been announcements already indicating that more armed police will be patrolling in UK cities as a means of reassuring UK citizens. How wonderful.

Triggaaar · Mar 22, 2016

Gazwag said:
How would this stop somebody wheeling a suitcase full of explosives though the front door of the terminal and walking up to massive checking queue and blowing it up.

The same is true for any mainline station at rush hour.

The same is true for everywhere. Walk into a busy pub and there are loads of people in a confined area. Searching everyone before they go anywhere and before they get to the queue in which they're supposed to be searched is not an option.

We just need the usual anti-terrorist work to try and stop attacks, and we need to work with the Muslim community to help prevent people being radicalised and to arrest those that are recruiting them.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 22, 2016

Gazwag said:
How would this stop somebody wheeling a suitcase full of explosives though the front door of the terminal and walking up to massive checking queue and blowing it up.

The same is true for any mainline station at rush hour.

Put simply it won't. Any public area, by its very definition, can be a target. And has been pointed out installing barriers will just move the crowd outside the public area; folk have to congregate somewhere.

matthew · Mar 22, 2016

Religion killing innocent people again.

This is going to seriously help out Donald Trump in the presidential race mind

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 22, 2016

As an aside I'm flying tonight. Be interesting to see how security differs from pre-Paris, post-Paris and now. It visibly, and very noticeably, ramped up post-Paris.

Bold Seagull · Mar 22, 2016

cunning fergus said:
Give yourself a shake love, I'm merely reflecting reasonably on the UK's own national security in light of this new terrorist attack in Europe.

The issue of national security has been prominent in the EU debate so far therefore its not a massive mental leap to relate this attack to our own arrangements.

Indeed, there have been announcements already indicating that more armed police will be patrolling in UK cities as a means of reassuring UK citizens. How wonderful.

You really are unpleasant.

Thunder Bolt · Mar 22, 2016

Triggaaar said:
The same is true for everywhere. Walk into a busy pub and there are loads of people in a confined area. Searching everyone before they go anywhere and before they get to the queue in which they're supposed to be searched is not an option.

We just need the usual anti-terrorist work to try and stop attacks, and we need to work with the Muslim community to help prevent people being radicalised and to arrest those that are recruiting them.

This is key to fighting terrorism. I was watching BBC News channel with a security expert in the UK, explaining how vital this had been in the UK in deterring terrorists. The Muslim community had cooperated well here.

Belgium is a different kettle of fish unfortunately, and the area of Molenbeek was almost a no go area, which was why Abdeslam escaped capture for 4 months. Belgium was also not very good at sharing security information with other European countries.

Triggaaar · Mar 22, 2016

Thunder Bolt said:
Belgium was also not very good at sharing security information with other European countries.

The UK should share information with the free world, and we're an island. The idea that a country in the middle of Europe not sharing information is madness.

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