I'm not quite following your point I'm afraid.
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Europe: In or Out
- Thread starter The Rivet
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I'm not quite following your point I'm afraid.
Megazone
On his last warning
So who's going to send this poll to parliament?
Nail biting stuff this.
Nail biting stuff this.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
What is the EU if not a collection of member states? I think it would be extremely naive to suggest any widespread corruption in member states does not permeate through to the EU institutions as they send their politicians and officials to work there. Considering the vasts amount of subsidies and funding available for allocation combined with the usually B team or retiring gravy train appointments made by countries to fill their EU officials quotas I would guess corruption is widespread.
As you say little hard evidence though.
Bevendean Hillbilly
New member
As Groucho Marx said "I wouldnt want to be part of any club that would want ME as a member" Why are the rest of the EU so desperate to keep us in? so desperate that they would have given us just about anything to rermain? its the only question you need toask. and the answer isnt that they like the way we wear our hats.
Your position is that you see the EU as your political representation if the elected government of the UK doesnt fit your own political view, thats hardly a point of principle or even offers examples of good governance within the EU, it seems you are willing to see the current elected government and its electorate to be continually undermined.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
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Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
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so you're more than happy to see our laws and border controls being left to others to decide
regards
DR
portslade seagull
Well-known member
They like the way they take our money more like
Marty___Mcfly
I see your wicked plan - I’m a junglist.
- Sep 14, 2011
- 2,251
I'm pro Europe but the more I listen to Cameron talking rubbish, patronising the general public, and telling us we should stay in because of the half-arsed negotiations he's involved in, I'm feeling inspired to vote 'Out' just because Cam says to vote In.
Maybe that's what he wants me to think though- his grand plan to get us out of the EU is to put himself at the forefront of the 'In' campaign..
Maybe that's what he wants me to think though- his grand plan to get us out of the EU is to put himself at the forefront of the 'In' campaign..
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cunning fergus
Well-known member
- Jan 18, 2009
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It always amuses me how typically pro EU supporters use the analogy of a club to describe membership of the EU.
It's absolutely not a club, if it was all members would pay the same fee, and receive the same benefit. This is not how it works though, as the current arrangement means the UK pays more to be a "member" than most other "members".
It is what it was originally designed to be, and that is a supranational government than reduces sovereign states to nothing more that quasi federal regions subject to the laws of the supra national institutions, the most powerful of which is not elected by the people.
The richer regions give more money to the supra national government to benefit the poorer regions, just like the south east of England does to the North East of England.
If the politicians were honest they would explain it plainly, they don't though, much better to describe it as a club, that creates the impression of something docile and which has inherent equality.
Club my arse.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
the knifes are out already
bye dave
bye dave
Hampster Gull
New member
- Dec 22, 2010
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The EU is a club that has proved its worth to this country, long may it continue
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- #475
God bless your dementia recovery.
Hampster Gull
New member
- Dec 22, 2010
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Its a club of friends for friends
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- #477
the knifes are out already
bye dave
I'd use a garrotte!
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Excuse me whilst I vomit.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
by the state of his face I think someone is trying already
GT49er
Well-known member
Happy to welcome you to the 'Out' camp any time! The more people listen to dodgy Dave claiming to have played a blinder when plainly he has obtained nothing more than smoke and mirrors, the closer we edge towards a Brexit. Oh, what a frabjous day that would be!