Making a Murderer documentary

The Kid Frankie

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Sep 5, 2012

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• Jan 20, 2016

• #101

Brilliant and incredible viewing.

We should all be grateful that we live in the UK. While our justice system is nowhere near perfect, I have no doubt he would have been found not guilty had the trial been here. I speak from the perspective of having been a defendant, witness and juror in the past.

 

nwgull

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Jul 25, 2003

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Manchester

• Jan 20, 2016

• #102

The Kid Frankie said:

Brilliant and incredible viewing.

We should all be grateful that we live in the UK. While our justice system is nowhere near perfect, I have no doubt he would have been found not guilty had the trial been here. I speak from the perspective of having been a defendant, witness and juror in the past.

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You'd like to think that. There have been enough cases of guilty people subsequently being proved innocent that I'm not so certain.

 

Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012

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Crawley

• Jan 20, 2016

• #103

For me, Ken Kratz won the prosecution case in the summing up. In response to the defence stating that they thought the police had planted evidence to secure a conviction of a man they believed to be guilty but could not prove, he said something like, if that is the case, then it does not matter that evidence may have been planted because they had done it to a guilty person, and the jury should return a guilty verdict.
Effectively saying, you can trust these cops, even if they have planted evidence, they did it because they know for sure he is guilty.

 

Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall

Jul 5, 2011

3,163

Brighton

• Jan 20, 2016

• #104

Not all of the prosecutions arguments are shown in the documentary.

http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movie...-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php

 

Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall

Jul 5, 2011

3,163

Brighton

• Jan 20, 2016

• #105

-- In the months leading up to Halbach's disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.
-- Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn't want to go out to Avery's trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.
-- On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.

 

Sam Ovett

The New Manager Bus

Aug 12, 2010

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Falmouth, Cornwall, United Kingdom

• Jan 20, 2016

• #106

I'm not convinced in the strength of a jury system.

I was under the impression that it's a jury's job to conclude whether the prosecution has done enough to convince you BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that the defendant is guilty of the charge the prosecutions sets forth, but from watching this and numerous other 'true crime' documentaries it seems like jurors make the decision of whether they think the defendant did it or not regardless of if the prosecution proved it beyond reasonable doubt or not.

Worrying

 

Prince Monolulu

Everything in Moderation

Oct 2, 2013

10,201

The Race Hill

• Jan 26, 2016

• #107

2nd series?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/making-murderer-explosive-new-details-7245290#rlabs=3%20rt$category%20p$2

 

surrey jim

Not in Surrey

Aug 2, 2005

18,092

Bevendean

• Jan 26, 2016

• #108

Ken Kratz is also writing a book about the case. Well he does need a new income source since his legal career ended prematurely.

Edit: link added

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ecutor-ken-kratz-writing-a-book-a6832591.html

 

AIT76

The wisdom of a fool

Jul 29, 2004

445

• Feb 29, 2016

• #109

There was a new program shown recently in the States 'Steven Avery - Innocent or Guilty?' which mentions the evidence left on the cutting room floor by the documentary makers.

One significant point I noticed, Ken Kratz was listing all the damning evidence against Avery and said "...the bones that were placed just yards from Avery's trailer door..."

Not 'discovered'. Not 'found'. Not even 'burned'.

It's almost as if he was subconsciously acknowledging that someone had 'placed' them there...

 

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CliveWalkerWingWizard

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Aug 31, 2006

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surrenden

• Feb 29, 2016

• #110

Some thoughts;
Was there any evidence that the blood swabs from the car that were tested for the chemical were Stephens, they could have been swabs of Theresa's blood or a random sample from anywhere. They needed to be crosschecked for Avery's DNA.
In the Brendan s case he was prosecuted for mutilation but Avery was found innocent. Even kratz acknowledged that the murder was carried out in the garage and the mutilation probably didn't occur, but then contradict s himself in dasseys trial.
The part of the tape where Brendan says they got to my head was not shown to the jury, why?
On the other side of the argument why didn't Avery give testimony?

 

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Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004

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saaf of the water

• Mar 10, 2016

• #111

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...aims-airtight-alibi-in-making-a-murderer-case

 

Ameliaance

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Feb 22, 2016

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• Mar 10, 2016

• #112

Looks like an interesting documentary, will definitely add it to my list.

 

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virtual22

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Nov 30, 2010

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• Aug 12, 2016

• #113

Brendan Dassey conviction over turned http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37066686 Out of everything I saw in that series, his conviction was the worst. Obviously didn't have the mental capacity to understand what was going on.

 

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Mellor 3 Ward 4

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saaf of the water

• Nov 14, 2016

• #114

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37980721

 

Urchin

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Aug 1, 2011

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• Nov 14, 2016

• #115

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37980721

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AG Schimel Will File Emergency Motion in Dassey Case

MADISON, Wis. – Today, U.S. Magistrate Judge William Duffin granted a motion for release in the Brendan Dassey case. Attorney General Brad Schimel intends to file an emergency motion in the Seventh Circuit seeking a stay of this release order.

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/ag-schimel-will-file-emergency-motion-dassey-case

 

Prince Monolulu

Everything in Moderation

Oct 2, 2013

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The Race Hill

• Nov 14, 2016

• #116

Sh1t, was a while ago I enjoyed this. Going to have to dig it out and watch it again.

 

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Mellor 3 Ward 4

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saaf of the water

• Nov 14, 2016

• #117

It's fortunate that Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty.

 

Withdean11

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Feb 18, 2007

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Brighton/Hyde

• Oct 30, 2018

• #118

Just finished part 2. Mind blowing stuff.

 

gripper stebson

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Jul 27, 2004

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• Oct 30, 2018

• Thread starter
• #119

Withdean11 said:

Just finished part 2. Mind blowing stuff.

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Me too. An incredible story. What a country.

...and don't get me started on Ken Kratz.

 

Wrong-Direction

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Mar 10, 2013

13,415

• Jan 8, 2019

• #120

I'm completely hooked, it's so gripping!
Can't stop binge watching, episode after episode!

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