Russian jet shot down ,WW3 about to begin ?

Psychobilly freakout · Nov 24, 2015

ditchy said:
Part of Nato and a strong USA backing ?

Like the USA have a good record for deciding who the bad guys actually are.

Turkey are only part of Nato because they see them as a buffer between the west and middle east, which in my opinion is a big mistake because when the chips are actually placed on the table I think you will find Turkey does not see it's self as western.

Diablo · Nov 24, 2015

Cmon It`s "Turkey" expect millions to be killed before Christmas... :clap2:

gregbrighton · Nov 24, 2015

The UK needs to leave the conflict in Syria well alone. It could get very messy indeed.

Save our soldiers. Save our money and resources.

The Antikythera Mechanism · Nov 24, 2015

ISIS will be loving this. Exactly what they want. Let's hope NATO and Russia realise this.

8ace · Nov 24, 2015

Psychobilly freakout said:
Like the USA have a good record for deciding who the bad guys actually are.

Turkey are only part of Nato because they see them as a buffer between the west and middle east, which in my opinion is a big mistake because when the chips are actually placed on the table I think you will find Turkey does not see it's self as western.

I thought they were part of NATO so the US could have nukes in range of Moscow

Stumpy Tim · Nov 24, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
Putin's main aim is trying to save Assad

Putin has been clear from Day 1 - he's against regime change in the Middle East. He was right about Iraq. He was right about Libya. He's been proved right in Syria. It's funny how Putin is being painted as this war-mongering mental case, when he's been anti-war for years & the West have gone ahead anyway. You're right - his aim is to keep Assad in power, and I'm sure oil plays a part. However, he also says that having a strong state is needed to combat ISIS in Syria. And he's right. Funny how the West are now suggesting that removing Assad isn't the main end-game now.

Say what you like about Putin, but he's been mainly right in the Middle-East. The West should be supporting his position after we've made such a mess in the last decade. FFS, we even decided it would be a good idea to arm "moderate rebels" in Syria, when it was blatantly obvious extremists would take those weapons given half a chance.

Not Andy Naylor · Nov 24, 2015

This is the mess that Cameron can't wait to get us involved in ....

Psychobilly freakout · Nov 24, 2015

8ace said:
I thought they were part of NATO so the US could have nukes in range of Moscow

Which would be a buffer.

8ace · Nov 24, 2015

Psychobilly freakout said:
Which would be a buffer.

So where is Moscow, the West or the Middle East

Blue Valkyrie · Nov 24, 2015

Russia : Plane shot down from ground.

Turkey : Plane shot down by Turkish F16s after being given 10 warnings.

OzMike · Nov 24, 2015

Good on the Turks I say, Putin pushes and pushes thinking no one will do anything.
He will respect the Turks more now, as they have proved that they have balls.

OzMike · Nov 24, 2015

LamieRobertson said:
To be captured by...........

They will be handed back with a slap on the wrist, the point has been proved.

Bevendean Hillbilly · Nov 24, 2015

I hate to say it. But this is EXACTLY what I said was going to happen.

OzMike · Nov 24, 2015

Uncle Spielberg said:
Nostramus was right it appears

Looks like it, I read the book of prophecies when I was a lad.

Bold Seagull · Nov 24, 2015

Could it just be an insurance claim?

Russians have an old jet that needs scrapping, fly it close to Turkey, get it shot down, pilot parachutes to safety, insurance is fully comp with protected no claims - new replacement jet on the way. Simples.

JC Footy Genius · Nov 24, 2015

Stumpy Tim said:
Putin has been clear from Day 1 - he's against regime change in the Middle East. He was right about Iraq. He was right about Libya. He's been proved right in Syria. It's funny how Putin is being painted as this war-mongering mental case, when he's been anti-war for years & the West have gone ahead anyway. You're right - his aim is to keep Assad in power, and I'm sure oil plays a part. However, he also says that having a strong state is needed to combat ISIS in Syria. And he's right. Funny how the West are now suggesting that removing Assad isn't the main end-game now.

Say what you like about Putin, but he's been mainly right in the Middle-East. The West should be supporting his position after we've made such a mess in the last decade. FFS, we even decided it would be a good idea to arm "moderate rebels" in Syria, when it was blatantly obvious extremists would take those weapons given half a chance.

Putin has been clear from day 1 he's against anything he perceives as against Russian interests and his grip on power. Western policy in the middle east has been a mess but Putin's I told you so routine rings hollow when you see how he likes to interfere in other countries.

In addition the keep brutal dictator's in power to keep a lid on the region argument is not a zero cost policy as history shows.

We may have some common interest in Syria but his motives are not the same as ours. If/ when Assad regains full control and starts butchering the population again there will be a deafening silence from Moscow.

mothy · Nov 24, 2015

BigGully said:
Ok so Europe, Russia the USA all allies against whom .... ??

The rest

heathgate · Nov 24, 2015

Icy Gull said:
You underestimate the madness of Putin I fear.

No...everybody overestimates the Russian ability to wage effective war against anyone other than rag tag fanatics.

heathgate · Nov 24, 2015

Psychobilly freakout said:
Like the USA have a good record for deciding who the bad guys actually are.

Turkey are only part of Nato because they see them as a buffer between the west and middle east, which in my opinion is a big mistake because when the chips are actually placed on the table I think you will find Turkey does not see it's self as western.

Wrong, they are part of NATO because they have a long and threatening border with Russia....no other reason.

Psychobilly freakout · Nov 24, 2015

heathgate said:
Wrong, they are part of NATO because they have a long and threatening border with Russia....no other reason.

A buffer then you could say, no other reason.

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