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WhingForPresident · May 9, 2015

Seems they have just put forward any old mug and the Scots have voted for them purely because they're representing SNP.

There's going to be an even higher proportion of people who don't have a bloody clue what's going on in Parliament..

pb21 · May 9, 2015

Hampster Gull said:
It wasnt a midly left wing agenda, it was laced with some pretty extreme ideological stuff.

Eh?!

Care to provide some examples of the 'extreme ideological' stuff?

Diablo · May 9, 2015

SNP + anyone they may wish to get into bed with is still a minority....Their 56 MPs can do nothing(their Leader is not even an MP)....Should David Cameron take more notice of the only UKIP MP who`s representing more peoples votes than the all the SNPs 56??.

peterward · May 9, 2015

Bozza said:
The SNP nearly cleaning up is clearly significant in what it says about the Union, and how we progress as one nation from here.

Setting that aside, however, did it actually make any difference at all in terms of the government and opposition? If Labour had won those 56 seats, the Tories would still have the same majority that they now find themselves with.

It would be more unified opposition block facing them, but it seems highly unlikely that Labour and SNP are ever going to differ with one of them backing the Tories and the other opposing.

So, solely in terms of the current government v opposition position, is there any difference between Labour or SNP controlling those 56 Scottish seats?

Good question, yes there's a difference.

When we see Labour and Tories doing their punch and judy routine, it may evoke certain feelings depending on any party allegiance. But when Scottish nationlists start to do it, especially as its not lost on the English that their are now 58 Scottish nationalists who want only whats best for scotland and to seperate from the union, and those 58 got there with only 5% of the electorate, whilst UKIP got 1 voice with 13% of votes. And that those Scottish MP's can vote on England only laws, that they get more per head with the Barnet formula, a rise in English nationalism is inevitable.

I'm proud to be English, i think of myself as English before British, but certain types of nationalism are dangerous and the SNP, whilst supported by 50% of Scots are not supported by 99% of English. If what happens is in anyway perceived as anti English or at least unfair.... pandorras box?

It may not make much difference in the debating chamber as to what law does and doesnt get done but the SNP will make a big difference to the opinion of Scottish supporters some of who are anti English, they will cause division, and my hunch is that will make an even bigger shift on the non supporting English who will become more anti SNP and it may fuel more division with a rise in pro England nationalism

coagulantwolf · May 9, 2015

I really think Nicola Sturgeon really shot herself in the foot by repeatability saying she was anti-Tory and would go in to some kind of power arrangement with Labour in the event of a hung parliament. There was a lot of tactical voting from English constituencies where people voted Conservatives over Labour to keep SNP out of as much power as possible.

jimhigham · May 9, 2015

An SNP spokesman was on Newsnight last night said that the very least they expected at this stage was full fiscal autonomy AND maintenance of the Barnett Formula while they arranged their financial affairs.

So it appears the SNP wants the right to raise its own revenue, which is fine, but also for the Union to continue its funding of the country while they do so, which is altogether less fine and a bloody odd view of the word independent.

Let them go.

Triggaaar · May 9, 2015

jimhigham said:
An SNP spokesman was on Newsnight last night said that the very least they expected at this stage was full fiscal autonomy AND maintenance of the Barnett Formula while they arranged their financial affairs.

So it appears the SNP wants the right to raise its own revenue, which is fine, but also for the Union to continue its funding of the country while they do so, which is altogether less fine and a bloody odd view of the word independent.

The SNP are a ****ing disgrace.

I do not want our government pandering to their hugely unfair demands. How should those who feel the same make their views known to our government?

Hampster Gull · May 9, 2015

jimhigham said:
An SNP spokesman was on Newsnight last night said that the very least they expected at this stage was full fiscal autonomy AND maintenance of the Barnett Formula while they arranged their financial affairs.

So it appears the SNP wants the right to raise its own revenue, which is fine, but also for the Union to continue its funding of the country while they do so, which is altogether less fine and a bloody odd view of the word independent.

Let them go.

I get the sentiment but the scottish majority dont want to seperate, lets not forget that. This election was a bloody nose tothe union, and the scots have given their politicians more focus and support than ever before to look after their interests. They may or may not chose to lesve on another vote but we are not there yet. Agree it doesnt feel acceptsble toraise your own revenue and get funding. Lots o negotiating to go

seagullsovergrimsby · May 9, 2015

Interestingly in Orkney and Shetland the LibDems held off a monumental 27% LD - SNP swing and retained the seat. The folk in the Northern Isles have a big issue on independence , not with Scotland breaking away from the Union but them gaining independence from Scotland.

peterward · May 9, 2015

Hampster Gull said:
I get the sentiment but the scottish majority dont want to seperate, lets not forget that. This election was a bloody nose tothe union, and the scots have given their politicians more focus and support than ever before to look after their interests. They may or may not chose to lesve on another vote but we are not there yet. Agree it doesnt feel acceptsble toraise your own revenue and get funding. Lots o negotiating to go

Good points.

The rise in SNP is in some way similar to UKIP, they are 'identity' parties a lot more than the conventional parties. People somehow identify with them and both are parties that highlight many alleged existential threats to reinforce that identity in followers.

If the Scots want Full fiscal autonomy why not.... But they don't actually want that, they want to keep the disproportionate flow of English taxpayers money going north and they currently run a 7 billion per year deficit and they want to spend even more and run a bigger deficit and for Westminster (English taxpayers) to underwrite their deficit.

They're taking the piss

Hampster Gull · May 9, 2015

peterward said:
Good points.

The rise in SNP is in some way similar to UKIP, they are 'identity' parties a lot more than the conventional parties. People somehow identify with them and both are parties that highlight many alleged existential threats to reinforce that identity in followers.

If the Scots want Full fiscal autonomy why not.... But they don't actually want that, they want to keep the disproportionate flow of English taxpayers money going north and they currently run a 7 billion per year deficit and they want to spend even more and run a bigger deficit and for Westminster (English taxpayers) to underwrite their deficit.

They're taking the piss

Completel agree. Sturgeon will be emboldened and will take the piss

yxee · May 9, 2015

Hampster Gull said:
Completel agree. Sturgeon will be emboldened and will take the piss

What can she do? She can't vote for anything. They can't block any legislation with 50 MPs, and they won't get another referendum. For the next five years, their bark will be much worse than their bite.

And by the way I completely agree with the above posters. If they have fiscal autonomy the only policy they'll have will be austerity-max.

Triggaaar · May 10, 2015

peterward said:
they want to keep the disproportionate flow of English taxpayers money going north and they currently run a 7 billion per year deficit and they want to spend even more and run a bigger deficit and for Westminster (English taxpayers) to underwrite their deficit.

They're taking the piss

Indeed.

Hampster Gull said:
Completel agree. Sturgeon will be emboldened and will take the piss

yxee said:
What can she do? She can't vote for anything. They can't block any legislation with 50 MPs, and they won't get another referendum. For the next five years, their bark will be much worse than their bite.

They can't do anything other than bark, but we need to make sure our government don't pander to their yapping. It's important to remember:
1) They voted to stay united, so that's what we should be
2) The party they have in power couldn't give a **** about anyone but themselves, and they want power that would damage the UK, and they should not be given it.

They want more money. Just because they voted for a selfish local government, doesn't mean they should get money.

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