BensGrandad
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I was told at the game yesterday all refs in the Championship next season are going to be full time, anybody else heard or read that.
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Pathetic refereeing ----------- again.
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They have been going further and further downhill. This season has seen some truly diabolical refereeing performances. Something has to be done, there is some serious money at stake in football, not to mention one fool being capable of ruining almost 30000 people's enjoyment of a football match [emoji35]
Sheebo
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I watched the replay several times and difficult to tell if it was our player or theirs. Either way I don't think that awful Lino would've known and didn't seem in the right position...
drew
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Don't think you have read the thread. No one is blaming the refs for our bad season, that is down to us. This is about poor quality of the referees and, from my point of view, the inability to apply the laws of the game. As someone else mentioned about handball. Cahill has an arm raised (not necessarily un-natural) and blocks a goal bound effort but there is no infringement. The ball bounces up and hits the hand of an arsenal player, which is also not in an un-natural position but it is a free kick. One is in the area and the other on the half way line. Inconsistency at it's worst and of course, possibly game changing.
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Is that from football rumours site?
I was at the game and this about sums it up!
Mattywerewolf
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Yes the lino had a terrible game in front of East stand. Started when he missed Deeney about 2 yards offside for his first chance which he missed. I was shocked when i saw the recording on Sky and none of them picked up on it as well.
The 2nd penalty appeal when CMS was grabbed looked a reasonably clear pen from the East stand. I also thought that when Bennet went down in first half it could have been given. Looked like clear contact. Again on the TV coverage they said he hadn't touched him despite what looked clear contact on several replays...
On another day could have been different, but whatever happens we need to find some strike power over the summer.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Get all foreign refs and officials in for next season.
Definitely off Greer's shin.
Only a couple of half hearted offside appeals.
Even the comms said it was an attempted clearance.
For those that missed the game but want to foolishly watch...
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Deadly Danson
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Forgetting for a moment the dogs**t performance of the ref on Saturday and the rights or wrongs of the individual decisions, I think Saturday's games shows how much of a difference a ref can make on an entire season. In a parallel universe, the ref gives a penalty for Bennett and then for CMS whilst showing a red for the defender for a professional foul and a red for the foul on Dunk. Elsewhere in the Boro game the ref doesn't send the Boro defender off and just gives the penalty and in the Norwich game the ref misses the Grabban elbow. Likely result - Watford fail to get the three points, Boro and Norwich win and the table looks very different. (again I'm not necessarily saying the refs got these decisions wrong but they could all have easily have gone the other way) That's why I'd give refs the chance to help themselves with video evidence - however much I love a good rant at a dodgy ref, they are fallible, human and, one presumes, doing their best. These are 100 million pound decisions.
Papa Lazarou
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Sky pundits seem to tailor their 'views' based upon which team is more deserving, or 'better'. If Watford had had a close call for a penalty I'd wager the pundits would have been much more inclined to look for reasons why it should have been given.
BensGrandad
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It was froma fellow supporter hence asking if anybody else had heard or read about it.
drew
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If we're talking about the incident on 7 mins 24 secs then surely Deeney is offside when the Watford player plays the ball forward. The fact it subsequently came off Greer is surely irrelevant.
The argument against is obviously was the watford player actually playing the ball forward !
No, because it wasn't played forward to him.
The attempted clearance by Greer (although he miscued it again) is the important touch.
Mattywerewolf
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yes exactly at 7.24 he was offside (not his goal which was clearly another shinning from Greer!) I was level with decision in East stand and he was clearly off and lino took some serious abuse for several mins. Seemed a poke forward from Watford player.
Mattywerewolf
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disagree. The commentary didn't even mention either point (offside or who fed pass)
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What do we expect from officials from the championship downwards?
The disparity between the wages of PGMOL and National List level one referees is absurd. The 16 select group referees are on contracts of over 70k a year, plus match fees in excess of 1k. Although 100k a year is nothing in comparison to the wages earned by the players they referee, it certainly isn't a bad salary, and although they get a lot of stick from fans and the press, the summit of the professional game must be an amazing thing to be a part of.
Why do we have only 16 full time referees in the country though? These 16 officials, our very best in the country, have the time to obtain outstanding levels of fitness, spend hours assessing every performance, work with the FA and other PGMOL staff to develop and improve further as referees, and still they make abysmal errors such a sending off wrong players. So again, what do we expect from lower league referees?
A football league referee will earn under 400 pounds for every game and that is all. They have to juggle refereeing the proffessianal game with their full time jobs. Assistant referees are worst off, earning under 200 pounds from the championship downwards, and under 800 pounds on the premier league, and that is all. Also, assistant referees need only to be Level 3, meaning they operate on the Ryman and Conference leagues as a referee. Policeman Harry Leonard from Peacehaven is a prime example of this. He is a level 3 referee yet you see him operating week in week out on the premier league as an assistant. This means he can be running the line at Old Trafford saturday, off to work as a policemen monday, and off to the dripping pan tuesday night to do a middle. It just doesn't make sense to me.
We won't get professional performances from our officials unless they are paid as professionals. Not 100k a year, but something to live on comfortably, or something which means officials only have to work part time so they can accommodate more commitments to their development as match officials. Until then, you won't catch me complaining about the performance of a football league referee.
The disparity between the wages of PGMOL and National List level one referees is absurd. The 16 select group referees are on contracts of over 70k a year, plus match fees in excess of 1k. Although 100k a year is nothing in comparison to the wages earned by the players they referee, it certainly isn't a bad salary, and although they get a lot of stick from fans and the press, the summit of the professional game must be an amazing thing to be a part of.
Why do we have only 16 full time referees in the country though? These 16 officials, our very best in the country, have the time to obtain outstanding levels of fitness, spend hours assessing every performance, work with the FA and other PGMOL staff to develop and improve further as referees, and still they make abysmal errors such a sending off wrong players. So again, what do we expect from lower league referees?
A football league referee will earn under 400 pounds for every game and that is all. They have to juggle refereeing the proffessianal game with their full time jobs. Assistant referees are worst off, earning under 200 pounds from the championship downwards, and under 800 pounds on the premier league, and that is all. Also, assistant referees need only to be Level 3, meaning they operate on the Ryman and Conference leagues as a referee. Policeman Harry Leonard from Peacehaven is a prime example of this. He is a level 3 referee yet you see him operating week in week out on the premier league as an assistant. This means he can be running the line at Old Trafford saturday, off to work as a policemen monday, and off to the dripping pan tuesday night to do a middle. It just doesn't make sense to me.
We won't get professional performances from our officials unless they are paid as professionals. Not 100k a year, but something to live on comfortably, or something which means officials only have to work part time so they can accommodate more commitments to their development as match officials. Until then, you won't catch me complaining about the performance of a football league referee.
On the replay they say it was not very convincing defending with an opportunity to get the ball clear.
It was definitely Greer who played it through, and definitely not offside.
Yes, he was in an offside position, but no offence because it was Greer who played it.
The touch by the Watford player doesn't matter.
BensGrandad
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surely under the current offside law Greer playing it last does not put the player back onside, it did prior to the rule change in 1979 but not now. If the player was offside when the Watford player played it he was still offside after Greers touch.